Dragon Disciple breath weapon

[Sephiroth]

Well its not very accurate sometimes it just does not even hit people in front of me and there was not saves or any reasoning for the actual miss.
Example: I just cast breath weapon on like 6 kobolds in front of me it only hit 1 out of 6 and it was the one in the middle of the group,

So it be nice if you fixed it.

Its bad enough you can only use it 1 time a day and also need to give up 9 SPELLS !!! to pick a dragon disciple.

Which by the way the dragon disciple could use a little love its really kinda bad we can already gain fire resistence with spells... so that is kinda like not a big gain. The extra health which is about 18 points is ok... but thats still not great..... the constittion bonus.... is ok.... if you want to get regeneration.... but still not anything great......

We need to give up 9 spells 1 for each level from 1-9...... please show this kit a little love.

Possibilities:
-Allow breath weapon to be used 2 times per day.
-give the dragon disciple some extra thaco ( he gains extra armor so this might be nice to go with his theme of being more physically powerful as well as go nice with ranged weapons).
- Make him immune to fear and charm. (he is part dragon and they are immune to that stuff).
- may be make a d7 instead of a d6. (well when all else fails to look like a good choice this will still be something nice).

[AlexMBrennan]

Its bad enough you can only use it 1 time a day

Yes, we get it - you have only ever played World of Warcraft, and can't read the manual, and are horribly confused by everything that isn't World of Warcraft so maybe go play a game you actually like?

That would seem more productive than demanding that Beamdog get rid of the vancian magic system in favour of mana potions or whatever.

We need to give up 9 spells 1 for each level from 1-9...... please show this kit a little love.

Oh so you are able to read the kit descriptions - good job.

Since we agree that this behaviour is exactly as intended I don't see why you are unhappy.

give the dragon disciple some extra thaco

Does it really matter if your mage has a 90% to miss his one pointlessly weak atttack vs 95% to miss his one pointlessly weak attack? Either way you are gonna need a fighter to do the fighting for you.

- Make him immune to fear and charm. (he is part dragon and they are immune to that stuff).

I guess that is theoretically interesting for solo players but if you have a party you still need to protect the party from those effects, so the immunity is pointless.

- may be make a d7 instead of a d6. (well when all else fails to look like a good choice this will still be something nice).

Have you considered using magic in combat? Because you are supposed to use magic to mitigate incoming damage instead of using the mage's health pool to tank damage. Try casting mirror image or stoneskin.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by AlexMBrennan:

Its bad enough you can only use it 1 time a day

Yes, we get it - you have only ever played World of Warcraft, and can't read the manual, and are horribly confused by everything that isn't World of Warcraft so maybe go play a game you actually like?

That would seem more productive than demanding that Beamdog get rid of the vancian magic system in favour of mana potions or whatever.

We need to give up 9 spells 1 for each level from 1-9...... please show this kit a little love.

Oh so you are able to read the kit descriptions - good job.

Since we agree that this behaviour is exactly as intended I don't see why you are unhappy.

give the dragon disciple some extra thaco

Does it really matter if your mage has a 90% to miss his one pointlessly weak atttack vs 95% to miss his one pointlessly weak attack? Either way you are gonna need a fighter to do the fighting for you.

- Make him immune to fear and charm. (he is part dragon and they are immune to that stuff).

I guess that is theoretically interesting for solo players but if you have a party you still need to protect the party from those effects, so the immunity is pointless.

- may be make a d7 instead of a d6. (well when all else fails to look like a good choice this will still be something nice).

Have you considered using magic in combat? Because you are supposed to use magic to mitigate incoming damage instead of using the mage's health pool to tank damage. Try casting mirror image or stoneskin.

-I never seen someone so out of touch with reality. I never even said I play WoW. I actually played this game for about the past 19 years on and off. So how smart do you feel right now?

-I also played pnp DnD not like it matters because there are always trolls like you somewhere its not like we regular players invite you here you are here on the forums lurking because you have nothing better to do.

LOL congrats I read the manual. :"D

-From my previous reaction you should already have glimpse of where I am at and where I have been. In case you didn't get it. I read the original manual probably like 19 years or so ago and I probably have it in a box somewhere. I never said I had questions about the rules did I ... nope . You just barged in this room acting the way you probably do to most people. You probably have not yet had any swift justice come your way in the form of a bann. ( I can help with that).

-Now the extra thaco would matter depending on your build but then again you would know that if.... you had as much know and experience with this game as I have.

A-n elf with MMM maxed on dex. obviously with a few extra thaco would make his MMM amazing. But I am not going to go on as I am not here to you lessons when you clearly believe you know it all ;"D ironic as that is.

-Not only does it sound nice for solo players it goes with the theme/history/ power of the Dragon Disciple.

- Have you tried opening your ears or eyes and learning or do you just like to pretend you know it all to people that are already leagues ahead of you with the ins and outs of this game.

Those extra hitpoints could be what makes your mage survive that poison.

Naturally not all damage mitigation is possible this is the issue with poison. You cannot rely on YOUR OWN MAGIC to mitigate it or prevent it. May be when you get PfMW or Absolute immunity you can prevent some forms of it..... but in bg1ee for example you need to rely on stupid potions and the scroll you can buy from the Hermit. A mage SHOULD be able to solve his issues with spells.
That is the point.

[Finrod]

Regarding the breath weapon accuracy: maybe the kobolds had evasion feat, so on a success save they get 0 damage instead of half.

Personally, when I read on pf20srd the dragon disciple prestige class, and see that they lose 3 caster levels, so no level 9 spells, to be more a fighter mage... It is not worth it in my opinion, at least in a videogame.
Maybe in PnP it is just cool from roleplay perspective, or nice to have wings to fly in combat, to flee, to travel etc. With wings you can fly in a antimagic field for example

Here Paizo just adapted the rules, as they could

[Berendor]

Originally posted by Finrod:

Regarding the breath weapon accuracy: maybe the kobolds had evasion feat, so on a success save they get 0 damage instead of half.

Personally, when I read on pf20srd the dragon disciple prestige class, and see that they lose 3 caster levels, so no level 9 spells, to be more a fighter mage... It is not worth it in my opinion, at least in a videogame.
Maybe in PnP it is just cool from roleplay perspective, or nice to have wings to fly in combat, to flee, to travel etc. With wings you can fly in a antimagic field for example

Here Paizo just adapted the rules, as they could

O.o