Became Fallen Archer on Siege of Dragonspear after event. Story or bug? (Solved)

[CaimDark]

I'm in chapter 9, I talk to the bridgefort mage and we're hit by... whatevever it is that we're hit with, and everybody is level drained. I restore everybody's levels, then notice my priest spell and stealth is grayed out. I thought it had something to do with what had just happened.

Later, after retaking the camp, I finally realize I had actually become a fallen archer, and I have no idea how. I didn't kill any innocents and my reputation hasn't budged from twenty since forever. Maybe I accidentally killed some peasant off screen and never noticed, but wouldn't that affect my reputation?

Man I'm♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ At the game, and at myself for not realizing right away and overwriting my quicksaves and chapter saves. Please tell me it's a story event and I'll soon become a normal archer again! I tried using EE keeper to restore my character, but I can't get it to work, it just doesn't seem to recognize my save or installation.

The earliest save I have with a normal archer is in the beginning of chapter 9 just before I met Jaheira, and I really don't want to replay the whole chapter again. If it's not a story thing and can't be fixed, either I'll play the rest of the game with gimped archer or I'll just go "♥♥♥♥ this♥♥♥♥♥♥ and jump to BG2.

What the hell happened?

[guttahtrash]

I don't know about what happened to your character, but...

You have to point EE Keeper to the SODSAVE folder, instead of the SAVE folder. (same directory in documents)

I hope that helps!

[𝔜𝔲𝔢]

If you plan on continuing into BGII you should be able to redeem your fallen archer by doing the quests leading to the ranger-stronghold there.

[CaimDark]

I'll definitely continue into Baldur's Gate 2, but if memory serve you don't import much, so I guess I'll just make a new BG2 Archer and pretend it's the same one. Screw having to redeem something that shouldn't even have happened. How the hell do you even become a fallen ranger without any reputation loss?!?

[CaimDark]

Alright, so I seem to have unscrewed my character with EE keeper. Turns out I had the right directories but simply needed to check the "use custom directory", which I thought I didn't do at first because I wasn't using a custom anything.

So, in the EE keeper, at first I unchecked the "fallen" box, but it turns out that doesn't change anything, my character simply loses the "fallen" title but keeps all the fallen effects.
Then I found he had some effects that read "disable", so I deleted those, and got my stealth ability and access to priest spell back. Then I added the called shot innate ability, and since I had Corwin in my party, an archer of the same level, it was easy to see what exact effects an archer is supposed to have and copy them to my main.

Finally, it seems my archer is back! I'm still a bit mad though, I lost a couple of hours of my life to this nonsense lol. At least it paid off!

I still have one question: is my character totally fixed and will gain his archer bonuses as normal when he gains levels, or will the game will still treat him as fallen and I will need to manually add his level-up bonuses (mainly the thaco and damage bonus every 3 levels and the extra called shot every 4 levels)?

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Originally posted by CaimDark:

I'm in chapter 9, I talk to the bridgefort mage and we're hit by... whatevever it is that we're hit with,

Just curious, you don't comment on Wynan Hess and his quest to bring a scroll and fix the spellstone affects (aka the draining rock) - in your next paragraph you already jump to retaking the camp. And all that without saving? There are multiple things to do at Bridgefort and multiple solutions, too.

[CaimDark]

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

Originally posted by CaimDark:

I'm in chapter 9, I talk to the bridgefort mage and we're hit by... whatevever it is that we're hit with,

Just curious, you don't comment on Wynan Hess and his quest to bring a scroll and fix the spellstone affects (aka the draining rock) - in your next paragraph you already jump to retaking the camp. And all that without saving? There are multiple things to do at Bridgefort and multiple solutions, too.

I quicksave all the time, but I don't manually save nearly as often. When I talked to Hess I had already explored the crusader camp and already had the scroll in my posession. I noticed my abilities grayed out right after we talk to him and get hit by the magical attack. I thought it was connected to what had just happened, I never imagined it was because I had just randomly become a fallen ranger.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Originally posted by CaimDark:

I never imagined it was because I had just randomly become a fallen ranger.

You don't "randomly become a fallen ranger". Where are the missing bits?

[CaimDark]

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

Originally posted by CaimDark:

I never imagined it was because I had just randomly become a fallen ranger.

You don't "randomly become a fallen ranger". Where are the missing bits?

My point exactly! There are no missing bits. As I mentioned in the OP, my reputation never budged from 20, I didn't kill any innocents, and even if I had unknowingly killed a poor bystander with a wayward fireball, my reputation would have dropped right? It never did. Somehow I became a 20 reputation Fallen Ranger. I have no idea how that happened. It happened right after the event with Hess, or at least that's when I think it happened, which is why at first I assumed it was a temporary story thing tied to my bhaal blood. I noticed my abilities grayed out but didn't realize I had somehow fallen until I retook the bridge.

[fauxpas]

Clearly a trigger either misfired or bd for some strange reason placed a reference in some of the dialog to trigger you falling. ... If you really want to know, fire up Near Infinity and dig through the dialog scripts and see, although if I had to guess, I'd say it was just a bug since surelyif it was dialog triggered more people would hae reported it by now.

[pgkrzywy]

5 years later and the same bug happened to me, I realised that I am Fallen 20 rep archer after ~5 hours of playtime from last manual save (when I was still not-fallen). That’s bugging me a lot, because I don’t want to replay whole Bhaal temple again but it coming with me to BG2 is a bummer! And I think it happened around the time I was magically levelled down or something so maybe that’s how it happened

[Včelí medvídek]

Originally posted by pgkrzywy:

5 years later and the same bug happened to me, I realised that I am Fallen 20 rep archer after ~5 hours of playtime from last manual save (when I was still not-fallen). That’s bugging me a lot, because I don’t want to replay whole Bhaal temple again but it coming with me to BG2 is a bummer! And I think it happened around the time I was magically levelled down or something so maybe that’s how it happened

Actually if I remmber well this is not bug but "reward" for kill crusader prisoners in temple thorugh dialogue choice. It bypass/dont affect reputation but change status of rangers and paladins to fallen.

The fix is one click checkbox with EE Keeper.

[kaiyl_kariashi]

yeah, the same thing happens in BG2 if you take any evil option during the Trials, you immediately fall, even if there's no rep loss.

some actions are considered so evil they're immediate falling conditions without affecting rep, where as Rep falling more of a pattern of bad behavior. (keepin mind, for the most part your god doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ about your public reputation, if you violate their conditions you fall, though BG tends to use rep for most falling conditions to give you some wiggle room for the occassional mistake (since Faerun gods tend to have a LITTLE bit of leeway depending on exactly which one for how much bullcrap you can get away with), but there are some options considered so willfully evil that you immediate fall for taking them.

There's a few others that will do that, but the Trials are the most common place people notice it as the rewards actually better than the good ones for once and potentially entice you to take it.

[pgkrzywy]

Haha I loaded a game and played again for 5 hours and avoided being fallen, but the same in the BG2 in trials - but here managed to load a save from the temple start (My companion died but not permadeath so I rolled with it 🤭 anyway, I found a way to not loose my stats and didn’t become fallen there - ma mage cast a Labirynth at me and somebody else opened the doors and it worked! Still not Fallen