Heretic/Hexen

[Turbo.DCS]

Will those games ever gonna get the Nightdive treatment?

[Gameo]

It's not 'illegal' so tf does it matter

[Snufflegrunt]

Originally posted by Seamus:

That's just how games with longstanding communities go. I mean... we're literally on the steam board for one of those games. Hell, go look at Thief 1-3 some time.

Not usually. Not to that extent. Doom has the advantage of being open source. NOLF's source is probably lost.

[opus132]

Originally posted by Seamus:

That doesn't mean it's abandonware. NOLF is very much a license with people controlling it.

The problem is the ownership is a mess of multiple license holders and they haven't been able to sort it out. Nightdive's CEO wants to re-release NOLF and its sequel, but hasn't been able to due to the licensing problems.

Such an amazing game. Especially the first, one of the best shooters ever made.

Second one wasn't as good in my opinion but was a nice step up visually. I miss the days when games had clean and sharp graphics instead of garbage filters and post-processing effects everywhere. The PS3 era shooters were particularly egregious with this i can't even look at them without gagging. Meanwhile you can still load up stuff like Half Life 2 today and it looks as pretty as ever.

[Seamus]

Originally posted by Gameo:

It's not 'illegal' so tf does it matter

Except, it is. Software piracy IS illegal.

[Seamus]

Just keep telling yourself that.

[Gameo]

I dont need to because thats the way it is and always has been.
Its frowned upon and companies hate it but it isnt technically illegal.
And ♥♥♥♥ em anyway if they wanted to make money off the ♥♥♥♥ they could

[[MwaH] NeoStarr]

Originally posted by Snufflegrunt:

Not usually. Not to that extent. Doom has the advantage of being open source. NOLF's source is probably lost.

Actually Night Dive has had the source code to both for years. Source:
https://kotaku.com/the-sad-story-behind-a-dead-pc-game-that-cant-come-back-1688358811

Ain't that some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Gameo]

Keep looking around you will find all kinds of claims about it by different 'experts'
Zero people have been prosecuted for piracy, several have been for hosting.
Most that I know of thats ever happened is someones internet got shut off from the demand of the IP rights holder, then all that was needed to be done was to call the isp and ask for it to be reconnected, just basically to be a scare tactic.

[opus132]

You guys wouldn't steal a car would you?

[Lord Voxtron]

Originally posted by Seamus:

That doesn't mean it's abandonware. NOLF is very much a license with people controlling it.

The problem is the ownership is a mess of multiple license holders and they haven't been able to sort it out. Nightdive's CEO wants to re-release NOLF and its sequel, but hasn't been able to due to the licensing problems.

I see. I thought of it as abandonware because it's available in those sites, didn't know about that situation and how Nightdive already tried to acquire it and failed due to a lot of bureaucracy and lack of interest from those who own the rights.

[jemYZX]

Originally posted by Gameo:

Heretic 2 is most certainly obtainable, as are the fixes.
I run it fine on win11

Not fully true since there is a false patch but it's playable just not the OG Heretic II. Went there done that still have the disc better have no fog because that is the false patch.

[Seamus]

And still not obtainable legally.

Which is what Thermal Lance's ask was in the first place.

[postmortem]

I really would like a re-release of Hexen and Heretic but only because Activision has the rights to Heretic 2 and a DLC for Hexen 2 it wouldn't be so bad if they re-released them officially.

[jemYZX]

Originally posted by Thermal Lance:

Originally posted by jemYZX:

Not fully true since there is a false patch but it's playable just not the OG Heretic II. Went there done that still have the disc better have no fog because that is the false patch.

Patch 1.06 does not have the fog issue. That's in patch 1.07 which is a community patch. IIRC Only problem is that unlike 1.07, 1.06 runs at 30 fps. I have no idea why they capped the framerate since the OG release runs at 60fps just fine.

Well it questions if the fog is from a Id Tech 3 engine. American McGee's Alice had a similar design set up but different engine.

I do question if they used the wrong engine for the Quake II engine of Heretic II?

[jemYZX]

Originally posted by postmortem:

I really would like a re-release of Hexen and Heretic but only because Activision has the rights to Heretic 2 and a DLC for Hexen 2 it wouldn't be so bad if they re-released them officially.

Microsoft has them though only if the CEO brings that to them it's happening. Though still up to Microsoft because Activision is is already bought by them.