Doom with modern graphics

[The Galaxy Patrol]

With this they should have added a mode where you can switch the graphics to modern. Doesnt matter how old school players would cry about it, it would be cool. Not like the 2016 Doom, original Doom with updated graphics. But should be able to change back for those crybaby old-timers.

[The Galaxy Patrol]

Origineel geplaatst door Electric Cupcake:

Origineel geplaatst door The Galaxy Patrol:

Quake is very different from Doom. Not as fast-paced, more story immersive. Besides, you recommend it like it's not a well known game...

Well, you obviously never played it if you think it's slower paced and has more story than Doom.

All the major 90s FPS games I played at least once, and ever since the 90s. And yeah, I don't think it's as fast-paced as Doom.

[Electric Cupcake]

Selaco does look promising, despite the dev's thin skin and drama over Yahtzee's reasonable criticisms.

[Ikagura]

Origineel geplaatst door Electric Cupcake:

Selaco does look promising, despite the dev's thin skin and drama over Yahtzee's reasonable criticisms.

Who's Yahtzee?

[Captain n00by]

DooM 64 is kinda a "remake" of DooM 1 & II in terms of graphics and sounds, all the sprites were changed with different/higher-quality ones, from weapons, enemies, pickables, etc and also all the textures, lighting, different sounds for weapons, enemies, etc.

Since it's an older game (originally released in 1997 exclusively for N64), it doesn't look very "HD-ish" today, but the concept was already tried.

The levels and music are totally different, mind, so it's a fully new DooM game rather than OG DooM/DooM II with a different "coat of paint".

[Electric Cupcake]

Origineel geplaatst door Ikagura:

Origineel geplaatst door Electric Cupcake:

Selaco does look promising, despite the dev's thin skin and drama over Yahtzee's reasonable criticisms.

Who's Yahtzee?

That's Yahtzee-Senpai to you.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/BenCroshaw

[MeshRay]

I personally think it would’ve been cool if Nightdive did a sort of light graphical upgrade, like they’ve done with other titles, where they add some modern graphical effects, lighting, maybe slightly modify or upgrade some of the textures/sprites (including brightmaps), but still retain the vanilla feel.

Of course I think they did an amazing job recreating the original graphics faithfully, and I love playing it that way also. So a simple on/off toggle would be nice if they decided to do something like that in a future update.

[Snufflegrunt]

The Doomsday port exists.

[benakenobi]

Origineel geplaatst door Captain n00by:

DooM 64 is kinda a "remake" of DooM 1 & II in terms of graphics and sounds, all the sprites were changed with different/higher-quality ones, from weapons, enemies, pickables, etc and also all the textures, lighting, different sounds for weapons, enemies, etc.

Since it's an older game (originally released in 1997 exclusively for N64), it doesn't look very "HD-ish" today, but the concept was already tried.

The levels and music are totally different, mind, so it's a fully new DooM game rather than OG DooM/DooM II with a different "coat of paint".

so why mention N64 version is this particural context? it's only got Doom as title with all else remade, and is now distributed as different product. I haven't read much about its development, was it a licensing quirk? Like, Midway can have a logo and whole concept but no-no to any other content from PC?

[Kaizen]

Origineel geplaatst door The Galaxy Patrol:

Origineel geplaatst door Gameo:

Wanna explain how you just 'switch' timeless spritework to 'modern'?..

Kids and their gwaficks

Who told you I'm a kid? lol The guy even got banned, haha.

You did in so many words..
And I dont care they always make shít up to ban me and over reach their 'power'.. that time it was 'for being disrespectful' because I was talking shít about cops in general lol.
I mean the whole steam support member system is a joke of itself and theyre all clowns so whatever, ban me for that too ill just go hike up another mountain instead of wasting my time here 😁

[Snufflegrunt]

Origineel geplaatst door benakenobi:

Origineel geplaatst door Captain n00by:

DooM 64 is kinda a "remake" of DooM 1 & II in terms of graphics and sounds, all the sprites were changed with different/higher-quality ones, from weapons, enemies, pickables, etc and also all the textures, lighting, different sounds for weapons, enemies, etc.

Since it's an older game (originally released in 1997 exclusively for N64), it doesn't look very "HD-ish" today, but the concept was already tried.

The levels and music are totally different, mind, so it's a fully new DooM game rather than OG DooM/DooM II with a different "coat of paint".

so why mention N64 version is this particural context? it's only got Doom as title with all else remade, and is now distributed as different product. I haven't read much about its development, was it a licensing quirk? Like, Midway can have a logo and whole concept but no-no to any other content from PC?

Not much is known about its development other than that it was going to an N64 launch title but it got delayed because id wasn't happy with the quality of levels. They'd moved onto Quake by that point, and the whole reason Doom 64 was happening - Romero - had left the company.

I'm kinda with you. I don't understand the hype that D64 gets. It's an excellent game but far too limited by the hardware, to the point where the shotguns don't even have reload animations. I guess it's the "vibe" that people enjoy, and for 1997 the level design was as good as Doom got. The thing is, it's not 1997 anymore. When people say that D64 is their favourite Doom game outside of nostalgia, I get hipster vibes.

[Captain n00by]

Origineel geplaatst door benakenobi:

Origineel geplaatst door Captain n00by:

DooM 64 is kinda a "remake" of DooM 1 & II in terms of graphics and sounds, all the sprites were changed with different/higher-quality ones, from weapons, enemies, pickables, etc and also all the textures, lighting, different sounds for weapons, enemies, etc.

Since it's an older game (originally released in 1997 exclusively for N64), it doesn't look very "HD-ish" today, but the concept was already tried.

The levels and music are totally different, mind, so it's a fully new DooM game rather than OG DooM/DooM II with a different "coat of paint".

so why mention N64 version is this particural context? it's only got Doom as title with all else remade, and is now distributed as different product. I haven't read much about its development, was it a licensing quirk? Like, Midway can have a logo and whole concept but no-no to any other content from PC?

I suggested that a "DooM remake" already happened with DooM 64, where they changed all the gfx and sounds with different, higher definition (but still low-rez due to hardware limitations) ones.

Afaik DooM 64 also was a test-bed for Carmack's tech, as he took id Tech 1 (DooM, DooM II, Heretic, Hexen, etc) and updated it to feature N64-specific effects like tri-point texture filtering, edge anti-alliasing, coloured lighting, etc.

At the time, id was already making Quake for DOS PC, which was a big deal, tech-wise, but Quake still launched without support for 3D hardware acceleration, meaning it was super taxing on the CPUs of the time.

GL Quake, a version of Quake which added support for the 3D accelerators of the time (most notably the 3dfx Voodoo) came out in early 1997, which is when 3D accelerators started breaking into PC gamer's homes.

DooM 64 was a cool version of DooM, but because it got delayed, in 1997 the N64 already had Turok and GoldenEye, both much more visually impressive, and fully 3D, titles (although Turok featured heavy fogging and GoldenEye ran quite sluggish at times), so it didn't get much attention even at release point.

It didn't help they didn't add any split-screen MP mode in there, as GoldenEye featured a full 4 player split-screen MP mode, which was the closest consoles came to "PC LAN parties" at the time.

[opus132]

I think the problem is that there's more to "graphics" than the tech. Games are also art and if updating the tech means you need to redo the art (which is usually the case unless we are talking about minute additions to the original), it means you are now dealing with someone's work and someone's else artistic sensibility.

And personally, i don't think it's worth the trouble. Game is going to look dated no matter how many improvements you can put on it.

Of course, i'm biased since i played the game when it came out and for me the graphics will always be as impressive as the first time i played it. That memory isn't going to go away. Maybe it's different if you played Doom Eternal first and you are now checking out the old game retroactively. Still, i think it shouldn't be hard to try to put the game in the context of its time. I'm usually able to do that with old movies. I grew up in the 80s but i have no issue understanding how revolutionary certain movies from the 60s or 50s are, even if they were way before my time. I should be the same with games.

[The Galaxy Patrol]

Origineel geplaatst door Gameo:

Origineel geplaatst door The Galaxy Patrol:

Who told you I'm a kid? lol The guy even got banned, haha.

You did in so many words..
And I dont care they always make shít up to ban me and over reach their 'power'.. that time it was 'for being disrespectful' because I was talking shít about cops in general lol.
I mean the whole steam support member system is a joke of itself and theyre all clowns so whatever, ban me for that too ill just go hike up another mountain instead of wasting my time here 😁

Well, with that attitude, I think you actually deserve those bans.

[Nightingale]

Origineel geplaatst door The Galaxy Patrol:

With this they should have added a mode where you can switch the graphics to modern. Doesnt matter how old school players would cry about it, it would be cool. Not like the 2016 Doom, original Doom with updated graphics. But should be able to change back for those crybaby old-timers.

Just play Brutal Doom. It's free too and you can use the classic Doom missions.

[opus132]

Origineel geplaatst door Electric Cupcake:

Selaco does look promising, despite the dev's thin skin and drama over Yahtzee's reasonable criticisms.

Selaco is supposed to be a F.E.A.R. close shouldn't have a lot to do with old school shooters.

Personally, i find the vast majority of those modern boomer shooters to be relatively disappointing. Many of them have good elements in there but it's amazing how few of them actually got it, but even some of the better ones have some issues. Dusk was a solid effort but it's still arguable whether it compares with the classics and visually it actually looked WORSE than Quake 1, which is kinda of nuts. I get it was one guy who made it and i respect the effort but it's just so strange that every single one of the has to fail on some level, and you'd think replicating the Doom or Quake formula should be the easiest thing in the world, and yet here are, at the tail end of the boomer shooter craze and it's been a mixed bag so far.