Doom is about empathy vs cruelty

[Unseen]

Basically, what I don't understand about the old doom controversy is how people thought doom was some kinda evil demonic bad game. But the game was never glorifying satan or demons. Sure it had demonic imagery, but the demons represented what evil was always suppose to be, cruel, malicious, sadistic... The demons were never some grey enemy, they were blatantly bad and the evidence for this is shown in one huge example.

Doomguys bunny.

See doom guy is the exact opposite of the demons. He is an empathetic man. Any man that cares about a fuzzy little creature of earth enough to care for it the way doomguy does is an empathetic person. Someone who loves and cherishes life. He probably got into the unsc because of his convictions and will to defend humanity and little kids, animals, women, the elderly, etc. I don't think he got into the military just to shoot and kill, but to bring peace.

I also think doomguy was a younger dude, didn't get to the point where he had a wife or kids yet, so what he cared about most was his pet. The other marines probably too. But his pet was something close to him that he cherished and when the demons killed it, it really pissed him off. Its also more evidence that, the demons are not some confused species with a different culture. They are straight up cruel and evil, and species that takes the time to be cruel and malicious to some non threatening bunny has to be pure evil.

Especially just killing it for cruelties sake. Some could say they killed it to piss off doom guy but whats the point in that? So he can kill them harder and get bolstered? I don't think the demons cared if doom guy got angry or if he killed more of them with fervor. I see the demons as a force of evil, and they were going to keep being evil no matter how badly doom guy was messing them up.

So to me doom represents empathy vs cruelty. Doomguy is a nice dude with a sense of honor, but he hates evil. He wants to protect little nonthreatening things. I wouldn't go so far as to say doomguy is a vegan, he don't look like one. But he's probably more of a non cruelty guy. I don't think he likes the idea of suffering, and that might be why he hates the demons so much and keeps on fighting them no matter what. He wants to end this rampant cruelty.

So I never understood the controversy. Yea Mortal Kombat was basically controlled executions I can somewhat see the controversy back then in MK. But I still loved MK back then even though I was bad at it. Its kinda hard to look at MK and all those exploding skulls and think wow this is so desensitizing. But I guess it was cause it was blood and violence directed at kids. I don't think it really shocked a generation, it didn't give me nightmares, but full metal jacket sure did.

What I mean is there was a lot worse that's always been there giving people nightmares besides some pixel blood. But doom really wasn't that controversial. It was actually about a dude fighting pure cruelty. Not just the good vs evil spiritual thing, because in the real sense its still cruelty what the demons are doing. And doom guy is the side of empathy. I think doom is inspiring in that, no matter how cruel things can be, you can fight against it. You can fight for your convictions and even if its a little bunny its still something you care about.

[Don't Shoot!!]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von jal11180:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Don't Shoot!!:

4 in a row huh...

You troll, I respond.

You're annoying, I point it out.

[jal11180]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Don't Shoot!!:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von jal11180:

You troll, I respond.

You're annoying, I point it out.

You try to annoy me, then I will I break your sanity...provided that it existed in the first place. I literally got into a flame war with a literal neo-♥♥♥♥ for two years, and, by the time that I was done, he was literally BEGGING me to stop the responses to his stupid comments, and to you, and anyone else that has a problem with me, I will fight for even longer if you plan on bringing a fight to myself, and/or someone else on here that doesn't deserve the hate for a good point on here.

[Don't Shoot!!]

I'm not trying to annoy you, I'm pointing out how annoying you are. Learn the difference.

[Celes Raev]

See, this is what I was talking about in the other thread, Jal, and anyone here will agree with me. It would be one thing if you just decided you were going to do a mod and it could be any mod you wanted to do and actually worked on it.

Instead you're here, talking non-stop about all your ideas instead of just working on them. When they are critically assessed you get angry. Now not only are you not using your energy to make that mod, you are wasting it here being a nuisance and yapping at people about non-sense. Even worse you're now dragging religion and politics into it.

Also about what you said about Doom needing a turn is exactly what I was talking about. It is one thing to want to make a mod you think would be cool for it, fine. But you are on some demented mission that you, and only you, can bring about some superior version of Doom that is apparently needed for it to "have the turn it deserves."

Do you even KNOW anything about what Doom pioneered? Doom popularized the FPS genre. Doom was among the first, if not the first, FPS to feature multiplayer over LAN, serial, and modem. Doom invented fragging and telefragging. Doom invented Deathmatch. Doom invented speedrunning. Then there's the many sequels in the mainline that it's had, including a brand new one coming 2025, Doom The Dark Ages.

Jal, the point is, Doom is already AMAZING. Doom is already a historic icon in the hallowed halls of gaming history. If you want to make a mod so bad, just go and do it. But quit with this stupid damn ego of some kind of grandeur trip about needing to reinvent a game that has already invented numerous things in the gaming industry already. And for the love of all that is holy, stop being such a freaking annoying turd with your incessant ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It's a waste of everyone's energy.

[Dark Jaguar]

Quite simply, they didn't like the violence and the glorification of war. They also hated using Christian imagery in non-Christan media as they felt it was either taking the lord's name in vain or "calling" demons to us. Further, there was an idea that suggesting a human could kill a demon with conventional weaponry was herasy, only The Christ who is Jesus can do that.
Christianity used to be a lot different, so their complaints were different. They also hated GI Joe when I was a kid in the 80's, and Christmas's commercial nature and Santa Claus was deplorable to them.

[Unseen]

My original posts had nothing to do with spirituality in particular. Was about good vs evil on a common sense level. Demons, least in doom since so many people seem to love and care about demons... I guess. But least in doom they are obviously sados whatever realm they come from.

As far as religions go, well I don't see demons as always being western religions. All cultures have talked about counter dark forces. It could be something as simple as a dark shadow to some.

[Kyller92 AKA Cinos]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von jal11180:

Your profile picture is a reason why no one that has a positive integer IQ level could ever take you seriously in a conversation.

Just say you can't argue with my point, I'd be faster