Rise of Venice

Rise of Venice

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Nats Oct 8, 2013 @ 4:02am
Kalypso were responsible for that Legends of Pegasus fiasco
I refuse to buy anything from them on principle after seeing what happened with Legends of Pegasus, and if you want my advice I would steer well clear of anything they do.

In case you dont know the story LoP was a 4x space game that was never tested by Kalypso before being released too early and unfinished despite many warnings about the state of the game on the forum. Of course it was so bugged that it was unplayable. The developer, a small outfit, worked hard to sort out the issues but in the end they went bankrupt after a few months. The buyers of the game ended up with a bust game (oh I think Kalypso offered them a free rubbish old game out of their catalogue as way of an apology), Kalypso kept all their money as well as probably withholding a lot of the developers money as well (which probably caused their early demise) and eventually got out of the whole mess scot free. I think a few people managed to get a refund from Steam but probably not many bothered.

So Kalypso are not the kind of people that I would buy a game from or give my cash to. Yet another unscrupulous publisher, of which there seems to be quite a few around these days. They release bugged untested rushed games and they dont provide decent support. Just so you know.
Last edited by Nats; Oct 8, 2013 @ 4:15am
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daan_hugo  [developer] Oct 8, 2013 @ 4:44am 
Note: Rise of Venice was developed by a differnt studio than LoP ;)
Avalanche Oct 8, 2013 @ 6:14am 
most developers and publishers release unfinished games, its a trademark, didn't you know?
AlienWired Oct 9, 2013 @ 4:32am 
Legends of Pegasus is a Turn-based strategy Real-time strategy 4X game developed by defunct German company NovaCore Studios, and published by Kalypso Media.

NovaCore went bankrupt. Rightfully so.

I don't really see what the point of the OP was to begin with, take a lot of time to write out paragraphs of nonsense that has nothing to do with Kalypso other than their being the publisher for the game.

We don't really need you to tell us what games you would buy or not from whatever company you are angry with at the moment as most gamers inform themselves before they go out and buy games that could be good or bad.

In fact if you buy a game on a whim without much knowledge of it or how it runs, then you should EXPECT to buy a crap game now and then. In the end YOU chose to buy an unfinished unsupporter buggy untested game.

Just so YOU know.
Nats Oct 9, 2013 @ 7:48am 
Originally posted by Alien Hexagon:
Legends of Pegasus is a Turn-based strategy Real-time strategy 4X game developed by defunct German company NovaCore Studios, and published by Kalypso Media.

NovaCore went bankrupt. Rightfully so.

I don't really see what the point of the OP was to begin with, take a lot of time to write out paragraphs of nonsense that has nothing to do with Kalypso other than their being the publisher for the game.

We don't really need you to tell us what games you would buy or not from whatever company you are angry with at the moment as most gamers inform themselves before they go out and buy games that could be good or bad.

In fact if you buy a game on a whim without much knowledge of it or how it runs, then you should EXPECT to buy a crap game now and then. In the end YOU chose to buy an unfinished unsupporter buggy untested game.

Just so YOU know.

Well you obviously dont know do you? That was a load of incorrect assumption.

For one thing I didnt buy the LoP game. It wasnt properly tested and there wasnt a demo or anything else provided so I didnt buy it. I consider myself lucky.

You seem to think that Kalypso had nothing to do with the LoP being released unfinished and bugged? What dreamworld are you living in? You do know that it is usually the publisher's responsibility to test the game and market it? Also as they are providing the money for the development they are the one that decides whether to release the game or not. They forced the developer to release the game unfinished probably by stopping funding. God you hear it all the time. Why do you think David Braben went down the Kickstarter route with his new game? He was sick of publishers forcing him to design games in a certain way and release games bugged. If you dont know the facts of game development why are you on here making comments. Wise up before you do that next time.

Novacore were simply an inexperienced outfit that paid the price. I am not saying it wasnt their fault as well but they at least suffered from the whole ordeal whereas Kalypso didnt apart from losing the future custom of anyone who bought LoP probably.

I was providing information to people on here so they know what kind of firm they are buying a game from, they have a right to know that. The more lousy firms we know about the less lousy products will get released in the future.

And who are you to speak for the people on this forum anyway? Let them make their own decisions with the evidence.
Last edited by Nats; Oct 9, 2013 @ 7:51am
daan_hugo  [developer] Oct 9, 2013 @ 8:15am 
Well, I don't agree with your opinion. Gaming Minds Studios (where I'm currently at) is a different studio than Novacore and all they got in common is the same publisher. Maybe you made a bad experience with LoP, but I can assure you that Rise of Venice or Port Royale 3 (our last game) didn't faced those problems. It's always easy to blame the publisher, but I don't konw if that's any kind of helpful. Remeber the case of 'Mass Effect 3' by Bioware? Many people have been very unsatisfied with that product, but I don't believe those disappointed customers won't buy FIFA/Madden (by EA Sports), Battlefield (by EA Digital Illusions CE [DICE]) or The Sims (by EA Maxis) anymore just because they all have the same publisher in common...

...but that’s just my two cents.

Best regards,
Daan

Edit: Spelling
Last edited by daan_hugo; Oct 9, 2013 @ 8:16am
AlienWired Oct 9, 2013 @ 8:30am 
OP is a troll..... PERIOD...

"You do know that it is usually the publisher's responsibility to test the game and market it?"

Really? As Daan Hugo asked "Do you blame EA for Bioware's bad releases?, or DICE for Battlefield 3 and it's issues?"

We're supposed to not assume that you didn't buy a game that you were whining was released untested?

And as a matter of fact, if you actually READ my posting, you will actually see that I never assumed that YOU bought the game!

So what are you whining about exactly if you didn't buy the game, what is your stake in it that would make you this mad?

There are plenty of other space base games that make Legends of Pegasus look like utter crap so why are you really whining out side of being a troll and wanting someone to jump on your anti-Kalypso band wagon, unjustifiably, I might add?


OP wrote: "I was providing information to people on here so they know what kind of firm they are buying a game from, they have a right to know that."

The information you provided was a personal assessment of a previous launched game that was released by a defunct and bankrupt company, that used Kalypso as its publisher.

Your opinion of the game is irrelevant to Kalypso as Kalypso did not develop the game.

Your opinion of Kalypso is irrelevant to me because you're an obvious troll that is looking to merely bash a publishing company for something that was not their doing to begin with.,

Opinions are like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, everyones got one...... Get a clue.


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Nats Oct 9, 2013 @ 1:50pm 
Originally posted by daan_hugo:
It's always easy to blame the publisher, but I don't konw if that's any kind of helpful. Remeber the case of 'Mass Effect 3' by Bioware? Many people have been very unsatisfied with that product, but I don't believe those disappointed customers won't buy FIFA/Madden (by EA Sports), Battlefield (by EA Digital Illusions CE [DICE]) or The Sims (by EA Maxis) anymore just because they all have the same publisher in common...

The same EA that was voted the worst company ever in history do you mean? That EA? The one that I will never ever buy a game off after they ruined Simcity? Yes its easy to blame the publisher because they are usually to blame. If the hat fits ....

Anyway I was pointing out an issue, I dont like firms fleecing buyers and then moving on as if nothing happened. I am not angry. I have no vendetta against Kalypso. I just believe that firms should stand by their wrongs and people should know who they are dealing with. If I was thinking of buying this game I would appreciate someone telling me this, same as if I was planning to buy WarZ (or whatever game they have changed it to to avoid the hastle from angry fans) or Dino Horde by that bloke who fleeces his staff then sacks them without payment. Bad firms like that deserve what they get and what they get is a bad name. And Kalypso has one.

So does EA, and Ubisoft, and a growing list of developers by the day. There are hundresds of games released every month by small devs who are dedicated and well meaning. And there are lots of publishers who produce well made well tested games. There is no need to buy games from lousy firms who release unfinished games with no after support. All you get from doing that is wasted money and a stomach ulcer from the hastle and frustration.

That is it that is all I have to say on the subject.
Kiesel Oct 9, 2013 @ 2:00pm 
Thanks for the warning OP. I don't know what the problem of the other posters are, but I would like to know what I buy and from who. So with a warning like this I can check out what is true behind the story and what not and depending on the facts decide what I want to do as I stay clear of games with a shady background - as well as any DRM or Origin games.
AlienWired Oct 9, 2013 @ 2:23pm 
Well then, don't buy their damn games, I don't care, and neither do they. To sit here and whine about a 2 year old game is moronic, not to mention TROLLOLING!

Now you have a nice day doing whatever it is you do best.

Opinions are NOT fact....
A Spooky Ghost Oct 9, 2013 @ 5:04pm 
"People paid money for a game the developer never really finished; they're bankrupt so now I'm blaming the publisher despite said publisher also having several titles that did get support and thorough testing"
Soulerspexx Oct 9, 2013 @ 7:22pm 
All I know is, I never post anything about any game...so If I do there is a reason! This game although not perfect is a great game, one that I have sunk many hours into, and plan to continue doing so despite who the publisher is. It looks great, and plays fine, if you like this kind of game. If you enjoy trading to earn money with the result of improving and building an empire, than this is a game you will like period!
Nats Oct 10, 2013 @ 5:37am 
Originally posted by areotae:
All I know is, I never post anything about any game...so If I do there is a reason! This game although not perfect is a great game, one that I have sunk many hours into, and plan to continue doing so despite who the publisher is. It looks great, and plays fine, if you like this kind of game. If you enjoy trading to earn money with the result of improving and building an empire, than this is a game you will like period!

Just get Europa Universalis 4 its almost certainly better and you would be supporting a decent publisher/developer into the bargain by doing that.
daan_hugo  [developer] Oct 10, 2013 @ 6:21am 
Uhhmm, excuse me for correcting you again. Europa Universalis 4 (Grand Strategy) is a different genre than Rise of Venice (Trading Simulation).... o.O

Note: The publisher is (in most cases) not equal to the developer. Did you ever took a look at other Gaming Minds Studios's games? They all running smoothly and have a decent fanbase and community.... just for your interest.... but how could you know? YOU DIDN'T EVEN TRIED THESE GAMES (according to your profile), but you telling folks who liked it to play a game of a different genere, because you concider another game as 'better'?

I don't want to talk about your opinion about publishers anymore, as you clearly have "your own opinion", but talking about that "decent publisher" you mentioned: funny thing, I just tryed to visit their websites (yes, they have more than one - both found by google and wikipedia) and both of them are offline - studio and publisher...

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A Spooky Ghost Oct 10, 2013 @ 10:17am 
Originally posted by Nats:
Originally posted by areotae:
All I know is, I never post anything about any game...so If I do there is a reason! This game although not perfect is a great game, one that I have sunk many hours into, and plan to continue doing so despite who the publisher is. It looks great, and plays fine, if you like this kind of game. If you enjoy trading to earn money with the result of improving and building an empire, than this is a game you will like period!

Just get Europa Universalis 4 its almost certainly better and you would be supporting a decent publisher/developer into the bargain by doing that.

They're vastly different games and if we're talking about blaming publishers for what a developer screws up, then Paradox should also be on your list because of Kerberos' Sword of the Stars 2. Please either develop some consistency or quit gaming.
Nats Oct 10, 2013 @ 2:08pm 
Originally posted by I AM THE LAW:
Originally posted by Nats:

Just get Europa Universalis 4 its almost certainly better and you would be supporting a decent publisher/developer into the bargain by doing that.

They're vastly different games and if we're talking about blaming publishers for what a developer screws up, then Paradox should also be on your list because of Kerberos' Sword of the Stars 2. Please either develop some consistency or quit gaming.

SoTS2 was fixed though, eventually. True though it should never have been released in the state it was but at least they corrected the issue afterwards even though it took the devs several months.

Anyway there is little benefit in going over all of this - people can make up their own minds given the information, as they should. Be CAREFUL before you buy any Kalypso stuff is all I am saying.

Oh yes and NEVER buy a new game without checking the forums first, trying a demo (preferably) and viewing some online reviews. Do that and your gaming will be forever pleasant. I am sure many of the RTW2 buyers are wishing they had done some of this before they bought that game!
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