Wolfenstein 3D

Wolfenstein 3D

i 2017 年 11 月 27 日 上午 10:35
Why does Steam still sell this?
Wasn't this game's source code released? Same goes for RtCW.



don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ necro this please
最后由 i 编辑于; 2019 年 1 月 1 日 上午 11:34
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i 2018 年 6 月 4 日 上午 3:35 
Abandonware is not illegal.
Louie 2018 年 6 月 4 日 下午 7:33 
引用自 roach
Abandonware is not illegal.

Abandonware is only legal when the developers or publishers no longer distribute the game, and there is no way to buy it through legitimate means. Since Wolf3D is on steam (and I think GOG), it isn't considered Abandonware.
27lueddi87 2018 年 6 月 5 日 上午 3:53 
"there is no way to buy it through legitimate means"
in other words all germans can download the game for free from a abandonware site because the game can not be bought in the German steam store because the game is on the index and is confiscated here in germany or you can only buy it here if you are looking for someone who puts it to you?

another question:
what is actually with Wolfenstein 3D TC for example?
this is a total conversion of Wolfenstein 3D for Doom.
you can play the whole game in the doom engine and you can download this for free!
that's the same topic again!

The discussion can be continued endlessly.

no matter!
I'm out of it now!
I already said everything I wanted to say.

Goodbye!
最后由 27lueddi87 编辑于; 2018 年 6 月 5 日 上午 3:57
michaelw1980 2018 年 6 月 23 日 下午 3:42 
As for the topic:
I can only repeat - a game with its sourcecode release can still be re-released by whoever owns the copyright. As for the game being available to play for free online: I presume, noone realy cares anymore about that game, especially, since releasing it nowadays would not make for a big seller. That being said, i presume the game being available to play online is just another gray area when it comes to legality.

Let me explain my claim a bit further: Yes, the source code has been released, but making a port out of that code doesnt give you a game to play. You only get the executable. Yes, it's legal to build your own port for whatever device to run on and make that port available for everyone online. BUT: To actually run the game, you need the Data. (For Wolfenstein 3D, I am talking about the .WL6 Files) and that data was never made available for free.

This means, releasing a port to run the game on whatever hardware is legal, but as for the game being available to play online, you can count on legal issues. If its not a DOSbox Port being playable online, you still need those .WL6 Files to run the game. But as for Archive.org amonst others, it is a complete bootleg release, because its a DOSBox, running the actual game released back in 1992. So its an emulation of comercialy sold software.

As for the claim, that it's abadonware:
Well, the game is being sold on steam, so actually, you cannot call it abandonware. You could say, having that game being sold on steam, enables the copyright owner to file lawsuits. But as I said in the begining: I think, noone really cares about that game anymore. There isn't any money in it.

So why It is for sale on steam? Nostalgia, baby! Just for those old guys like me, who still want to play the game from time to time, with the good feeling of owning a legal copy of the game.
CampyMcLurkstein 2018 年 7 月 15 日 下午 3:29 
引用自 Sgt Nate V
引用自 roach
Okay, thanks. I have one question: Then why is this game being released on abandonware sites?
That's not an official site. That's not legal either. What makes it stranger is that they give you the option to buy it on Steam and GOG right above the free download link.

It's not illegal though. Not to download it. Also given how tough times are economic-wise, I don't see a problem with humans sharing digital content which is the most effective means of replication.

Not like Wolf3D is insanely expensive in comparison to newer relesases, but I hope you know what I mean.
If it's freeware, then go that option. Be a capitalist. Exploit whatever you can for personal gain as much as you can. Just like the modern gaming industry :)

Just folliwing by example here. Game devs are my role models, and they have taught me so much. Such as how to run an illegal gambling ring designed to prey on children :) Then pay your government off just like any other large successful industry. Funny how most things in life regarding the law are ultimately affected by money instead of true morals and justice 8)
最后由 CampyMcLurkstein 编辑于; 2018 年 7 月 15 日 下午 3:35
CampyMcLurkstein 2018 年 7 月 15 日 下午 3:30 
引用自 Snarfy Snarf
引用自 roach
Abandonware is not illegal.

Abandonware is only legal when the developers or publishers no longer distribute the game, and there is no way to buy it through legitimate means. Since Wolf3D is on steam (and I think GOG), it isn't considered Abandonware.

Again. Free or not free. What will the capitalist choose? I wonder..
i 2018 年 7 月 22 日 上午 7:20 
Cakm down, sire. I bought the game.
CampyMcLurkstein 2018 年 8 月 7 日 上午 8:45 
So did I because it was $2 on sale at one time for all 6 classic episodes.
You try ECWolf yet? If not, you're missing out.
Legitimate freeware DLC mod that really improves everything. The difference is you have to google it instead of paying for it like a modern game DLC :)
No cringeworthy social politics either :D

Steam DRM gave me a hassle with using the mod though.
washu73 2018 年 8 月 12 日 下午 11:20 
I bouight this for return to castle wolfenstien , this was just a bonus
i 2018 年 8 月 12 日 下午 11:56 
引用自 washu73
I bouight this for return to castle wolfenstien , this was just a bonus
Yeah.
Jellopie 2018 年 9 月 28 日 下午 5:23 
Releasing the source code means that all the code used in the game is made available to the public. Hence the reason that we have sourceports like Zdoom, GZDoom, EZWolf. The source code for Quake 3 has been released, and Doom 3, should all of those games be free? All copyrights still apply, and all in-game artwork is still the property of iD.

Since they are still selling it, it's illegal to distribute or download the entire game free of charge. You can use and examine the code, and use it to create your own content for the games. You are free to distribute your works as long as you aren't charging for them (unless you have an agreement with the developer/publisher to sell a commercial project).

You are not free to distribute the full games. The owner must own a copy of the original game to make use of any ports, mods, wads, what have you.

Just because you are cheap, and don't want to pay for a game, doesn't mean your justification for stealing it makes it any more legal.
最后由 Jellopie 编辑于; 2018 年 9 月 28 日 下午 6:48
williamwhtjr 2018 年 12 月 30 日 下午 5:25 
引用自 roach
Wasn't this game's source code released? Same goes for RtCW.

Some gamers, like myself (read: casual, lazy-ass ♥♥♥♥♥, LOL) like the Steam version because it does all the work for us. Most sites releasing the source code are made for PC Gamers, and us Console Gamers (most of us, anyway) want a game that's more controller friendly. Thanks to Steam's interface, we can have our PC Cake and eat it too. 8D But since the Cake is a Lie... xD
最后由 williamwhtjr 编辑于; 2018 年 12 月 30 日 下午 5:25
DoomBot[Q] 2019 年 1 月 1 日 上午 8:43 
The source code was released for the game engine, not the game's assets. Thus, you legally still have to pay for the game's assets.

The game you can play for free in your browser is either illegal, or only the shareware episode.

I don't see how this got 3 pages long, when the answer is fairly simple, and can be searched on any search engine.
27lueddi87 2019 年 1 月 1 日 上午 11:00 
As I said before, you can play the full version of the game for free and legally on archive.org.
That is one of the reasons why this got 3 pages long.
Why should you buy a game here if you can play it completely free and legally on archive.org?

Whatever!

I would say we just let it be good, because the discussion here brings nothing.
It's just how it is and that's flat!
i 2019 年 1 月 1 日 上午 11:33 
Guys I posted this in 2017.

Also I have the game, this was just stuck in my mind.
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