Which game is better?

[Cat with the Gat]

which game is better, GalCiv III, Endless Space, or Solar Empire Rebellion?

[BrigadierBill]

I will say that of the three, Sins of a Solar Empire is very different from the other two in that it plays more like an RTS than a strategy game; aka the goal throughout is just killing everything. In general GalCiv3 will probably turn out to be a better game than Endless Space, but I have a soft spot for Endless Space whereas GalCiv3 hasn't worked out all the rough spots (particularly the AI in GalCiv3 is pretty bad at the moment, and certain elements aren't as developed as its predecessor).

Endless Space is the most interesting when it comes to exploration and colonization (although conversely the combat is rather repetitive and there isn't much graphical variety), Sins of a Solar Empire is the best in terms of combat, and GalCiv3 has a ton of content designed around creating custom ships, factions, and maps, as well as being the best in terms of politics and a lot larger scale than the other two.

I will also say that Sins of a Solar Empire has the most mods (several are a lot better than the base game), although GalCiv3 is intended in the long run to have a crapload of mods and both Sins of a Solar Empire and Endless Space are basically done (Endless Space 2 is in production at the moment) whereas GalCiv3 is early in development.

[ChaffyExpert]

well, you cant compare Sins of a Solar empire, since its a completly differance gamestyle than GC III. judging a RTS against a 4x is more of how a player's style. so i dont think you can really judge those two things, as they are completly differant in alot of ways.

[Wraitteli]

For turn based 4X games Endless Space wins easily. But Endless Space have all the fixes and patches on its sleeves. It UI is polished, it tech tree tweaked and a lot of stuff added to the original game.

GalCiv III as it is now is horrible micromanagement hell. But if in year or two they fix them. It would be a great game. But for now I don't bother to play GalCiv III anymore.

[ChaffyExpert]

ya this is like comparing Mario, to Civ Beyond Earth..... except GC III is better actually fun, and doesnt feel too much like "horrible micromanagement hell" for the most part...

[MottiKhan]

Personally, GalCiv3 and Endless Space tie for the lead there. ES is much more polished, while GC3 is more modern and has more potential. If I were just starting with either one, I'd say ES is better value for money. Give GC3 another year and it'll be there.

Did you know they announced ES2? It's scheduled for sometime in 2016. :)

[ChaffyExpert]

thats also becouse, ES is polished becouse of the time it has.
youd have to judge ES by when it came out of beta, not in its current state.
as thats unfair to GalCiv3.

[Savage]

Distant Worlds personally.

[BrigadierBill]

Originally posted by Savage:

Distant Worlds personally.

Distant worlds compared to these is Hearts of Iron 3 compared to Civ5.

[quentinparagon]

Originally posted by Traror:

thats also becouse, ES is polished becouse of the time it has.
youd have to judge ES by when it came out of beta, not in its current state.
as thats unfair to GalCiv3.

WHY? The question isn't about buying a version of ES that is just out of beta. It's just about which game is better now and it isn't unfair to GalCiv3.
The fact is GalCiv 3 is totally unfinished, not even close to it. In 6 or 7 years it may be a better game but at the moment it is not even close. Those who claim it is are making allowances for the fact it is still being worked on and what they expect the eventual outcome to be, but that is by no means a cetainty.
Stardock has loads to do to make the expectation a reality; they haven't even scratched the surface in terms of dealing with the micromanagement hell. Anyone who doesn't experience the hell is either not specializing their planets or not playing large maps

[ChaffyExpert]

it IS still being worked on, it is unfair, your arguement is flawed in so many ways than just one.
i dont think its "micromanagement hell" although theres alot of it. your saying its more unfinished than what it actually is. i only encounter crashed during games after long gameplay sessions.
and i have the same crash rate on Civ 5. and im playing gigantic maps too... and i always specialize planets too. i think your exagerating.
your saying that there cant be any fixes after its released? it doesnt make sense. im saying GC III just got released, ES had tons of time to fix things. thats why its unfair.

[Jono]

Hard to say. Out of those three games Endless Space is the game I've put the least hours in, but I really like it. It is just a fun accessible 4X. Sins is a different beast to the other two so I'll leave it alone.

What I can't deny is that both games are a superior gaming experience that GalCiv3 because they are both at the end of their life cycle. GalCiv3 is at the 'start' of its life cycle and what probably makes it a more exciting prospect is that it will grow and change.

[MottiKhan]

Originally posted by Traror:

thats also becouse, ES is polished becouse of the time it has.
youd have to judge ES by when it came out of beta, not in its current state.
as thats unfair to GalCiv3.

Yes, ES is more polished. You even admit that even though you don't have it in your profile. You also haven't been playing GC3 a lot recently. It indicates that you're not exactly enamored with it either.

For a fun experience, I still say go with Endless Space over Galactic Civilizations 3. I say that as an "Elite Founder" of Galactic Civilizations 3, and one who plays it very often. If you wait a year or so for GC3, you'll benefit from more bug fixes, better balancing and a better multiplayer experience. It should be less expensive by then as well, especially with the Steam sales.

You HAVE to compare what's out there now, not what was out there at release. You're talking about spending $30.00 on a polished game against $50.00 on a work in progress. The better value is painfully obvious.

[Gordholm]

they all have positive and negative aspects. Comparing Endless Space with Galciviii is the easiest since both are turnbased games, i never got really warm with endless space since everythime i play that game i feel like playing a Excel Spreadsheet but thats my personall opinion. Galciv3 is a fine game if you play it in singleplayer, multiplayer is bugged like hell and if you don't save every turn you have a lot of problems and the "Galaxys are way to small even if you choose the biggest one there is no "Galactic Feeling" . I definitly prefer Sins of a solar empire, it is a real time strategie space game with a lot of possibilitys and it is fine polished works fine in single campaign also like in multiplayer with some friends.

[ChaffyExpert]

Originally posted by MottiKhan:

Originally posted by Traror:

thats also becouse, ES is polished becouse of the time it has.
youd have to judge ES by when it came out of beta, not in its current state.
as thats unfair to GalCiv3.

Yes, ES is more polished. You even admit that even though you don't have it in your profile. You also haven't been playing GC3 a lot recently. It indicates that you're not exactly enamored with it either.

For a fun experience, I still say go with Endless Space over Galactic Civilizations 3. I say that as an "Elite Founder" of Galactic Civilizations 3, and one who plays it very often. If you wait a year or so for GC3, you'll benefit from more bug fixes, better balancing and a better multiplayer experience. It should be less expensive by then as well, especially with the Steam sales.

You HAVE to compare what's out there now, not what was out there at release. You're talking about spending $30.00 on a polished game against $50.00 on a work in progress. The better value is painfully obvious.

You dont get it. comparing ES in its "late life cycle" isnt fair to GC III becouse its at the begining. you dont know what your talking about, or you have not read what ive been posting AT ALL. and its 40$, not 50... ES is older, and GC III has modern build which is why again you cant compare GC III as it is agaisnt ES. you can judge ES right after launch with GC III now, or GCIII if everything is fixed and done. with ES. but you CANNOT judge ES right now with GC III. the games started and finish at completly differant times. your being EXTREMLY unfiar to GC III here.

[ChaffyExpert]

I like GC III more than i like Civ 5 wiht mods, but i have more hours on Civ 5, why? becouse i got Civ 5 first, then GC III its the same principal, GC III will not instantly be done, your judging Civ 4 with everything including mods... against Civ 5 vanilia... its completly unfair toCiv 5, at that time.... as its not finished.... but now it is, and you can judge Civ 4, with Civ 5 And now i know i should make my profile private, becouse of people like you bringing stuff like that which is completly irrevelant to the conversation.