Heroes/Leader unhappy with leader alignment

[mar3usmc]

This needs to go. Right now I am playing an elf necromancer. All my Heroes are also elves, as I have that set up in the options. I am playing evil, obviously, and now everyone of my heroes is getting poor moral because they are unhappy with my leaders alignment. EVEN MY LEADER IS UNHAPPY WITH HER ALIGNMENT! How does that happen?!

So I figure, make everyone an archlich, and they should all be evil and happy with evil. NOPE! They are still upset with my alignment. Perhaps I am not evil enough??? (-175 is still technically neutral)

Any ideas on this devs? My suggestion, get rid of this feature. If they joined me they knew what they were getting into.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

What units are you using?
There are several units daticated to good, evil or natural that dont get along with anyone who doesnt share the alligment.
It sounds like you need more evil points.
Also master of pupets increase undead moral.
Try burning a few more towns, migrate them and dont spare gaurds(that count as good)
No vassle state.
Being pure evil/good is hard work.

Also get shadowborn mastery.
It has a spell that makes all units produced in that city deticated to evil.

[Kyun]

normally elves (or any player race) don't care about you being good or evil.

what you describe can happen only if you are keeper of peace or grey guard and resereached the spell that makes all your heroes and your leader good/neutral once researched, but you play as an evil guy.
but then it is your fault for not reading the description of what you are specialising in/researching.
or because your game is bugged, but i believe you play greyguard/keeper.

[Broseph Stalin]

They should't care. Maybe this is a bug?

[GhengisFarb]

Originally posted by Broseph Stalin:

They should't care. Maybe this is a bug?

Actually they SHOULD care if you chose a spec SPECIFICALLY geared to be Good or Evil. Why would you choose a GOOD spec if you intended to play EVIL? That's likes being allergic to peanuts and going on a peanut butter sandwich diet. o_O

[mar3usmc]

Let me be more explicit,

Race: High Elf
Class: Necromancer
Alignment: -175 (Neutral... technically)
Shadowborn Master, Destruction

Other Heroes and Leader Heroe are now High Liches

Leader has -200 Moral decrease due to HIS OWN ALIGNMENT!!!

Heroes are suffering the same -200 Moral Decrease due to the leaders alignment.

@Malificus

Unfortunately I am playing continents and got stuck on an island bymyself, so no towns to burn just yet. I am selecting everything I can that is evil though thus far.

The units I am using are all Necro, undead elf units, and Cadavers... lots of cadavers. I do have that spell that makes all units produced from that city evil. However, I can't use it quite yet.

Definitely will pick up the puppet master thing when I see it.

@Wie

Can't say I have greyguard or keeper of the peace researched. I am a unholy warrior thing. I really hope it isn't bugged, really enjoying where I am at.

@Broseph

Say something constructive or go away. The devs are actually very responsive on these forums, and I am sure they appreciate our feedback and bug reports.

[Bazil]

Originally posted by mar3usmc:

Let me be more explicit,

Race: High Elf
Class: Necromancer
Alignment: -175 (Neutral... technically)
Shadowborn Master, Destruction

Other Heroes and Leader Heroe are now High Liches

Leader has -200 Moral decrease due to HIS OWN ALIGNMENT!!!

Heroes are suffering the same -200 Moral Decrease due to the leaders alignment.

@Malificus

Unfortunately I am playing continents and got stuck on an island bymyself, so no towns to burn just yet. I am selecting everything I can that is evil though thus far.

The units I am using are all Necro, undead elf units, and Cadavers... lots of cadavers. I do have that spell that makes all units produced from that city evil. However, I can't use it quite yet.

Definitely will pick up the puppet master thing when I see it.

@Wie

Can't say I have greyguard or keeper of the peace researched. I am a unholy warrior thing. I really hope it isn't bugged, really enjoying where I am at.

@Broseph

Say something constructive or go away. The devs are actually very responsive on these forums, and I am sure they appreciate our feedback and bug reports.

Keep getting more evil and tell us what happens.

I think I once had a dedicated to evil unit pissed at me because I wasn't evil enough.

[Dr_K [Rosencrantz]]

I haven't played with the Shadowborn/Grey Guard/Peacekeeper specializations, but they are supposed to be tied to alignment and affected by it.

My guess is that since you are the Evilly aligned Specialization, but currently have a Neutral alignment you are getting the alignment penalty on all heroes.

[Minionslayer [Tibbles]]

You are currently Neutral at -175. You will start to become Slightly Evil at -200 and below. Just be an ahole to someone and declare war and you'll be fine :)

[Leto]

ye it seems you're not evil enough.
turn on the news and find inspiration

[mar3usmc]

@Sir Toine

LOLOLOLOL

Yea, I will keep yall posted. I am hoping that is it. Need to make some invasion fleets and get off this island. I have no one else left to beat up! O.O

[GhengisFarb]

OKAY, you're a Shadowporn Master, you most likely cast the spell on a city that causes all units in it to be Dedicated to Evil and get Lifesteal AND immediately and forevermore makes your Leader and all Heroes Dedicated to Evil. But you AREN'T Evil so they're all mad about your leader being such a goody two shoes and will be until he does becomes evil.

Best guess anyway.

Declare war on some city or dwelling or attack a really wimpy group of site defenders with an overwhelming force and Hunt Them Down which makes you 25 points more evil.

[Black Hammer]

You've gone with a spec that makes everything dedicated to evil.

So everyone at the party is dedicated to evil.

Except you. You aren't evil.

They don't like you, because you think you're a special snowflake.

Drink the evil kool-aid, declare war, migrate some cities around (if I'm going evil-evil, I often keep an outpost dedicated to endless migration), and enjoy your boost to everybody's morale because you fit it with them.

Nobody likes to feel judged.

[Szeron]

Yeah, this is a pretty easy trap to fall into with Shadowborn. Simply researching the city buff that gives Dedicated to Evil will _automatically_ make all your heroes hate you if you don't have an Evil alignment. It more or less says it on the spell description before researching it, but it's easy to overlook.

[mar3usmc]

An outpost dedicated to endless migration? Do you mean you make a city, release it, then conquer it?

Actually, I like that idea, gonna try it later.

[mar3usmc]

Well, a suggestion to the devs would be that if you research and/or cast the spell your alignment should just drop by -200. I mean, you MUST be evil if you are doing something like that.