Archon Titan

[CmdrJohnGimbal@EliteDangerous]

Can someone explain to me why the Archon Titan automatically retaliates against up to four attacking units on the same turn when it's not on guard? A couple of these are flanking attacks and I don't see any ability that says he can spin in a circle smashing anything in retaliation multiple times like this?

[Jeined]

Flanking attacks don't spend action points of the attacked unit. Because it didn't retaliate.

[Shaithias]

This^

[Fendelphi]

Originally posted by Nayred:

Flanking attacks don't spend action points of the attacked unit. Because it didn't retaliate.

He is saying that the Archon retaliates even if flanked. He is not talking about action points.

OP:
There is a skill that makes you immune to flanking(cant remember it's name right now). Are you sure he doesnt have that?

[Gloweye]

AFAIK, there's no way to bestow Total Awareness on a Titan. I think Nayred is onto something here.

[Nasarog]

Originally posted by Nayred:

Flanking attacks don't spend action points of the attacked unit. Because it didn't retaliate.

Hmm

[Fendelphi]

Originally posted by jaccovandorpGloweye:

AFAIK, there's no way to bestow Total Awareness on a Titan. I think Nayred is onto something here.

Well, it doesnt change the fact that it IS retaliating, which shouldnt occur on a single flank attack. Action points still have nothing to do with the issue described.

[Jeined]

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

Well, it doesnt change the fact that it IS retaliating, which shouldnt occur on a single flank attack. Action points still have nothing to do with the issue described.

If it's true, it's most probably a bug. But I really doubt it's true. I have never seen this.

[Fendelphi]

Originally posted by Nayred:

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

Well, it doesnt change the fact that it IS retaliating, which shouldnt occur on a single flank attack. Action points still have nothing to do with the issue described.

If it's true, it's most probably a bug. But I really doubt it's true. I have never seen this.

So rather than admitting that you misunderstood his post and that it might be a bug, you think the OP is lying? Wow. :(

[Jeined]

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

So rather than admitting that you misunderstood his post and that it might be a bug, you think the OP is lying? Wow. :(

Your skill in reading amazes me. Well-done! I wrote that might be a bug in the same post you've answered to. And I understand his post perfectly (not sure if he described the situation correctly, though). But I much more trust my experience in the game and developers' skills than one random statement. This is most probably a misunderstanding, there were a lot of them before.

[Fendelphi]

Originally posted by Nayred:

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

So rather than admitting that you misunderstood his post and that it might be a bug, you think the OP is lying? Wow. :(

Your skill in reading amazes me. Well-done! I wrote that might be a bug in the same post you've answered to. And I understand his post perfectly (not sure if he described the situation correctly, though). But I much more trust my experience in the game and developers' skills than one random statement. This is most probably a misunderstanding, there were a lot of them before.

You wrote(and I quote); "If it's true, it is most probably a bug. But I doubt it."

What this sentence means in normal, mortal english is: "If he is speaking the truth, it might be a bug. But I doubt it is. In other words, he is not speaking the truth, aka lying."

You keep insisting that it is either:
A) something to do with action points not being expended on flanking attack(which has nothing to do with the fact that it is retaliating on all attacks, including the flanking ones, aka, you misunderstood his post).
B) the OP is lying about what he experienced(your answer is correct, just the OP was wrong about what he experienced).

The bottom line is, instead of trying to find out exactly what happend, you jump to a conclusion that have nothing to do with what the OP described.
What you could have suggested was something like "did you move units around the Archon, giving it attacks of oppotunities while trying to flank, causing to hit you multiple times?" or "does it have Tireless?".
But nope. It is clear that the issue is that flanking attacks does not expend action points, because the target wont retaliate(even if the target was described as retaliating on 4 attacks, including flank attacks).
Yeah, that sounds perfectly logical.

[Ruinous]

Was the Archon a paragon unit? That empire quest can give some quite different abilities to what a unit would normally have. Spinning and retaliating 4 times would imply both Total Awareness and Tireless.
Cannot say I've noticed this when fighting regular Archon units, or using them myself. And as for my theory on it, I've had a paragon Archon before and it had Resurgence plus something else I cannot recall. I'm not sure if the extra abilities are set or random.

[Dr_K [Rosencrantz]]

Originally posted by jaccovandorpGloweye:

AFAIK, there's no way to bestow Total Awareness on a Titan. I think Nayred is onto something here.

Unless it doesn't affect the Undead, Spontaneous Mutation could give it Eyes Everywhere, which is essentially Total Awareness.

Originally posted by Ruinous:

And as for my theory on it, I've had a paragon Archon before and it had Resurgence plus something else I cannot recall. I'm not sure if the extra abilities are set or random.

Paragon is Resurgence, +10 HP, +1 Def, and +1 Res. No other abilities

[Jeined]

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

You wrote(and I quote); "If it's true, it is most probably a bug. But I doubt it."

What this sentence means in normal, mortal english is: "If he is speaking the truth, it might be a bug. But I doubt it is. In other words, he is not speaking the truth, aka lying."

I can't even say that you don't understand English. You don't fully understand human speech. Doubting someone is not the same as accusing of lying.

And yes, I'm trying to understand what happened. But for that we need an answer from the topic starter and not your useless and senseless lectures.

[Fendelphi]

Originally posted by Nayred:

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

You wrote(and I quote); "If it's true, it is most probably a bug. But I doubt it."

What this sentence means in normal, mortal english is: "If he is speaking the truth, it might be a bug. But I doubt it is. In other words, he is not speaking the truth, aka lying."

I can't even say that you don't understand English. You don't fully understand human speech. Doubting someone is not the same as accusing of lying.

And yes, I'm trying to understand what happened. But for that we need an answer from the topic starter and not your useless and senseless lectures.

When you use "truth" and "doubt" in the same breath, that is what the your post implied from an objective point of view. Maybe that was not what you meant, but that IS what your actual sentence would be read as.
Or do you know a way to "not speaking truth" without lying?

"maybe what that person said is true, but I doubt it", means that you doubt the integrity or objectivity of what the other person said. So either that person is lying, or does not know what he/she is talking about.
In both cases, you dont believe the person to be telling the truth.

Anyway, I will leave this thread for now. Maybe the Op can shed some light on what "really" happened to clear this up.

No point in falling right into a Mark Twain quote.

[Jeined]

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

Or do you know a way to "not speaking truth" without lying?

That's exactly why I said you did't understand human speech. =) Of course there are ways, not even one. For example, if you are genuinely convinced that something wrong is true and tell that someone, you are not lying.

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

Anyway, I will leave this thread for now.

And thank you for that.