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On another note, do trans womens weights fluctuate? Might also be transphobic?
Looks bad for SI.
I know the OP was a troll post, but as I stated before - the small change of removing weight sends out a very clear message that opens up a can of worms.
Where will it end?
After all, are we not supposed to be pretending that we're all exactly the same, with identical characteristics and that gender is no more than a social construct?
Ban all truths relating to men and women's p[physical capabilities, lest 0.2% of the population have their mad delusions shattered.
Pretty sure weight doesnt serve a purpose right now. I have never seen a fat player in the game and even if you just change it to the highest, they dont lose speed or anything. Currently its just a cosmetic and they probably think about putting real meaning behind all the cosmetic stats.
SI have stated it is hidden and is still being used by the "new engine" under the hood. It is only being hidden because womens weight fluctuate. No other reason. Stop stating there is no purpose to it, because if there wasn't it wouldn't be under the hood at an engine level.
There is only 1 reason why it was hidden and Miles has stated so.
Can you explain how I’m supposed to tell a player to lose weight?
The engine seems to cause female players in the game to unrealistically gain and lose weight frequently. In reality, the differences are hardly noticeable. Of course, women's hormone levels are not as stable as men's, and therefore their weight fluctuates more. However, in professional athletes, these fluctuations are marginal.
I don’t understand why something sexist should be interpreted here, and if the display of weight in women leads to confusion, why not remove it until a solution is found?
It is unrealistic for a manager to not know their athletes weights, bmi, lean tests and more.
I said it opens a can of worms to begin hiding things because they are a touchy subject. It matters not if its used or not in the game. However it is still being used, so weight is important enough to bring it over to the new engine.
Removing features of the game, yet adding womens football will upset people. Removing shouts, removing weight and even exporting/vs modes is what the majority of people are upset about. Especially not having time to make a good international mode, and saying only 5% of people use it. Yet we are unclear as to how many will play womens football.
A portion of people are being sexist, and that is stupid. I am not one of those people, I am vocal about being treated like a fool and SI thinking we don't know the game or the sport. A game like FM is famed for its realism. Removing weight from our eyes, when real managers know their female athletes weights, shows SI care more about politics than actual sporting realism. This would fall under DEI because as I have stated, if you google miles phrase, a bunch of pro female political posts pop up. A lot more of those than anything negative.
When you begin taking an antagonistic stance vs me, and people claim im sexist or a conspiracy theorist, then it clearly shows you care less about the game, and more about just being represented.
Do you have a source?
Exactly. People will think SI are going woke, because of the weight removal and tie everything else back to womens football. Hence why I am against it. I also think it's sexist to say they have to hide it because it fluctuates in women more than men. Scientifically it doesn't differ at all in athletes and not even in regular humans that much.
You can see all the female athlete weights online and all managers weigh their athletes, even the females. In fact they even measure their bodies, do lean tests and more.
They opened a can of worms, and that is what you say - a perception of an infection with woke mind virus. Not saying liberal minds are bad or woke is bad. I think people can believe whatever they want to believe in, as long as they don't begin silencing opposing views.
Hiding weight is the start of exactly that. It's a tiny thing that has a big reaction. Si should be more self aware as to not do this during the political climate globally at the moment.
Had they added womens football and not removed anything - everyone would have been happy.
It's in the development update.
"As you know, it’s been a long-term project for us and one of the biggest things we've done in recent times outside of the move to Unity. Throughout the process, we’ve been laser-focused on introducing Women’s Football to FM in the most authentic way possible. We've applied that thinking to everything we've done, as we generally do with all areas of design and development. From a gameplay perspective, being able to move seamlessly between managing men’s and women’s clubs and vice-versa in one world, one ecosystem was the number one priority - but that’s forced us to consider how various game world aspects are currently portrayed.
As such, we can now share a change we’ve made to all FM25 player profiles: a player’s weight will no longer be visible.
Through the creation of our Women's Football database, we discovered that while the weight of male athletes can change a bit month to month, women’s body types are very different from men’s and their weight fluctuates a lot more, often weekly.
This perspective encouraged us to review the wider game, much like we have with all other areas, and we’ve ultimately decided to no longer show weight for any players in FM25. A very basic measurement will still be included under the hood"
This is where Miles said it. He clearly states that it fluctuates more in women than men, but it fluctuates for all genders. It doesn't fluctuate much for athletes because "It all comes down to what and when you eat, drink, exercise, and even sleep" (randomly googled off Healthline) and this is well regulated in athletes both female and male.
In fact a mans weight can fluctuate 2-5 kg per day because of high levels of testosterone. This causes men to eat a lot of food and burn off a lot of food aka energy. Mens weights fluctuate MORE at an athlete level while regular womens weights fluctuate more for regular people because inactive women tend to store weight in the form of fat over the muscle. Men tend to be more active or do more strenuous activity and have larger muscles and frames. This leads men to eat more, but also burn it off faster - leading to a larger fluctuation when active or athletes. You can find this in multiple sites Googling the topic.
To simply state "it fluctuates more in women" is a fallacy, especially for a sport game based on reality. I called you naive because you really believe what was said at face value.
If it were true, women would not have their weights distributed online for the public to see. In fact I showed that Sam Kerr's weight is online and I believe it's 67kg. It would be hidden wouldn't it? But its not.
Also if they want to add womens football as realistic as possible and do it justice, then weight MUST be shown because female athletes do lean body tests, they have their bmi checked (Similar thing as lean test), they are weighed, they are treated the same as men in sports. That is equality right there.
It is not equality and inherently sexist to remove it now when womens football is added, but in the last 30 years no one cared about mens fluctuating weight also. It also sends out a very bad message that a regular woman is a weak, insecure being who can't see weight for a woman in a video game. I believe women are stronger than that.
Update : I also want to add that I did a 12 month nutritionist course at Westmead Hospital in Sydney Australia. I used to be very obese and a study was performed to see if obese people would lose weight if they learned about nutrition. Others were given pills, placebo, injections and others purely exercise.
In 2020 to 2021 I lost 72kg of which 44kg came in a 5 month span, from changing my diet. So I actually know my weight fluctuates, sometimes daily. As you can see, this would hit me at my core when I am reading literal lies. I am not offended by it, but I think it's bs and a way to not hurt peoples feelings. I try not to get personal but my daughter has the same issues with her weight, hers fluctuates also. Both my girlfriend and my daughter both suffer from PCOS. Their weight fluctuates but so does mine, mine is usually more. In the last month I lost 6kg and my daughter gained 4kg. We have the same diet. I should actually be in favour of weight being hidden, I have every right to.
Instead I don't want it hidden cause the reasons as to why is false. I want FM to be realistic, not be a game where feelings begin to water down the features. We are all old enough to get the right to view weight in a game, even if it were to be insignificant. Yet it is significant enough, because they have added it to the game in a functional manner in FM25, as stated by Miles himself.