Football Manager 2024

Football Manager 2024

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Trippyjwc Sep 4, 2024 @ 8:41pm
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Will not buy FM25.
Title says it all, hope others will join.
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van_kk Sep 4, 2024 @ 9:56pm 
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GO WOKE GO BROKE
Spud Sep 5, 2024 @ 12:10am 
Same.
Excited to see the fallout though. It's been a long time coming.
Pain Sep 5, 2024 @ 1:35am 
Why, what happened?
Spud Sep 5, 2024 @ 1:37am 
Originally posted by battles_atlas:
So you incels are going to have even more time to spend jacking off? Pleased for you.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3324889347
battles_atlas Sep 5, 2024 @ 1:54am 
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Originally posted by Pain:
Why, what happened?

Quick recap: some billionaires who own the media distracted a lot of men who have been victims of capitalism with a bunch of culture war gimmicks, and now those men think the world sucks not because capitalism has no use for them, but because FM25 has removed the bodyweight stat as part of its introduction of women's football.

There, you're up to speed.
Trippyjwc Sep 5, 2024 @ 2:05am 
Originally posted by Pain:
Why, what happened?

These idiots at FM took out plenty of modes, reasoning being only 10%, 5% of players play them, to then add women when barely anyone is going to play with them, now the game got delayed, even more removals of the game, weight, international management and act like everything is alright and we are getting an improved game. Idk what the kid crying about capitalism is talking about.
Saladfingers Sep 5, 2024 @ 2:21am 
''Quick recap: some billionaires who own the media distracted a lot of men who have been victims of capitalism with a bunch of culture war gimmicks, and now those men think the world sucks not because capitalism has no use for them, but because FM25 has removed the bodyweight stat as part of its introduction of women's football.

There, you're up to speed.''

To be fair it is quite ridiculous to drop bodyweight from the game just to accommodate womens football that nobody even ever asked for to be added to the game, and let me guess just like FIFA they will have absolutely unrealistic attributes for the women players to be equal to the men players in the game as well. Although it is the same sport, it is played at 2 very different levels and they should not be rated equally.
battles_atlas Sep 5, 2024 @ 2:39am 
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You think its ridiculous to drop body weight (it will still be modelled in the engine, just not be visible) which is a stat that no one ever actually used, in order to accommodate the other 50% of the world's population within the simulation? We have different ideas of ridiculous. From a gameplay perspective, this body weight thing is an absolute nothingburger.

Leaving aside any moral considerations here about whether the biggest football management game can rightfully ignore women's football, the economics are really simple - the women's game is growing exponentially at the moment, and businesses love a growth market. Now that FM is on consoles as well, if there is any further playerbase growth to be had then its by attracting all those people, male and female, who have started watching women's football in the last few years. The strategy might be a bust or it might work, time will tell.

All of this is a total distraction though, because anyone who loves FM who reads between the lines of the new development update should be worried that the new engine upgrade is going sideways, and FM25 is going to be a car crash as a result. But because the times we live in, we can't focus on the stuff that actually matters, because the culture war warriors are getting triggered by some nonsense and are sucking all the oxygen out of the room.
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Saladfingers Sep 5, 2024 @ 2:43am 
Originally posted by battles_atlas:
You think its ridiculous to drop body weight (it will still be modelled in the engine, just not be visible) which is a stat that no one ever actually used, in order to accommodate the other 50% of the world's population within the simulation? We have different ideas of ridiculous. From a gameplay perspective, this body weight thing is an absolute nothingburger.

Leaving aside any moral considerations here about whether the biggest football management game can rightfully ignore women's football, the economics are really simple - the women's game is growing exponentially at the moment, and businesses love a growth market. Now that FM is on consoles as well, if there is any further playerbase growth to be had then its by attracting all those people, male and female, who have started watching women's football in the last few years. The strategy might be a bust or it might work, time will tell.

All of this is a total distraction though, because anyone who loves FM who reads between the lines of the new development update should be worried that the new engine upgrade is going sideways, and FM25 is going to be a car crash as a result. But because the times we live in, we can't focus on the stuff that actually matters, because the culture war warriors are getting triggered by some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and sucking all the oxygen out of the room.

What is even more ridiculous than removing the weight stat from the player profiles is that they outright removed the option to be a manager for international football just to accommodate womens football in to the game, so they are really removing one of the most important key features of any FM game to focuse on womens football which is outright just ridiculous and they can rename the series to 'club manager' now.

You talk about women being 50% of the world population which is fine, but 50% of the world population does not play football manager, and its mostly men playing football manager as well so there is no real incentive for SI to really add womens football as there is no demand for it in the world of football manager, the female playerbase on football manager is incredibly small which makes this all a ridiculous decision.

And the growth of womens football is very artificial and it has not grown a lot, look at terms of demand, there is no real demand for it, the overall quality in womens football is still very poor. And the stadium attendence records being broken are done so by dropping ticket prices with either 50% or completely making it free entrance so even the attendance records are artificially made.
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Spud Sep 5, 2024 @ 2:47am 
They are trying to force a decades old spaghetti mess of broken code into a third party engine.

Body weight and international management are only the tip of the iceberg, the feature strip is going to be immense, but much bigger than that, what's left in is going to be absolute garbage.

It's going to be a game that look kinda pretty, plays like s*!t and has superwamen in it.
vinyblaster Sep 5, 2024 @ 3:12am 
Originally posted by saladfingers:
What is even more ridiculous than removing the weight stat from the player profiles is that they outright removed the option to be a manager for international football just to accommodate womens football in to the game,

That does sound ridiculous, and what's the connection between womens football and no option to manage national teams? I don't understand how removing one helps with adding the other, unless it's just to reduce dev time.

To be honest, I also don't understand the relationship between removing body weight and having W football either. Is it some sort of "body shaming" thing? If so this is utterly ridiculous. Male players have had their weight in there for decades but females can't do the same? At some point this whole "we want to be treated equally but not really" is laughable.

Yeah body weight is not a useful metric, but the signal being sent is pretty pathetic. Female players can't handle having their weight in the game?
Spud Sep 5, 2024 @ 3:29am 
The Concord curse beckons.
AwakenOne2010 Sep 5, 2024 @ 3:33am 
Originally posted by van_kk:
GO WOKE GO BROKE
:steamhappy::steamhappy::steamhappy: LOL
Last edited by AwakenOne2010; Sep 5, 2024 @ 3:42am
AwakenOne2010 Sep 5, 2024 @ 3:41am 
Originally posted by Spud:
It's going to be a game that look kinda pretty, plays like s*!t and has superwamen in it.

:steamhappy::steamhappy::steamhappy: LOL
vinyblaster Sep 5, 2024 @ 3:52am 
Honestly I haven't followed FM since FM08 and I'm just take a look now because I'm gonna grab 2024 on EpicGames, so I don't really know what happened over the past decade, what directions they're trying to take the game, etc. But if I put my tin foil hat on this could be a really good move to setup the game for DLCs:

- Remove "must have" features like national team management and other multiplayer options
- Add support for women football
- Game does terrible because of 1.
- Blame gamers for hating women
- FM2026 comes out and removed features come back as DLCs

This is partially tongue in cheek, but it's just "convenient" how the version adding female players (and therefore automatically coming with the "Muh' women" anti-criticism shield) is also the one losing features that quite frankly I don't think are "optional" or "nice to have".
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