Tedious and boring.

[WooD]

My team finish second.
Next season i am fielding the SAME team. I did not buy a single player, and i did not sell anyone. Cohesion is good, morale is excellent, my support is excellent.

Next season.... Tactics not working. Every team i play is real madrid, regardless of their players. I can outclass them in every part of the field. I will still lose 1-2 after they score the game winner in the 85+ min.
Their 10 pace guy is running laps around my 18 pace guy.
My 22 goal scoring forward isnt scoring, my stellar defense from last season are goofing around being outclasses by crap(Literally)

I wonder what script i activated when i performed good the previous season that is making the game take a dump on me now.

Ive played this game on and off since the 90's.
And its never felt more scripted. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ event activated.
Sometimes i wonder if i am supposed to watch the entire 90 minute game because its hard to adjust when there are no highlights. My team isnt producing anything.
Am i even the manager? Cause when i start the first few seasons are stupid easy. Im pretty sure if i start over my tactics will work and i will win again.

Thumbs down. Not buying fm25.

[Terminal Velocity]

Originally posted by DeathStroke:

Originally posted by JasseBasse:

Teams adapt, that is fair enough. However, we are talking sports! Where quality in long term prevails. If you have on overall better team, higher quality, than it wont matter much how mouch other (weaker) teams adapt. It is all BS, propagaded by some arrogance and incompetence at SI.
Or let me ask you this. Me, my mate big Dave, truck driver Tom, slow Ken and bunch of other beer drinking heavies at a local pub, we watch Barcelona. For two years we have watched and analized and addapted. We know ABSOLUTELY ALL there is to know about Barca and have addapted accordingly. By your and SI´s logic we should be able to (easily?) beat Barca in a game of football game. This is what you and SI says.
However, and this might come as a shock to you and SI, things DONT WORK THAT WAY in sports. Frankly, I am sick and tired of this kind of BS excuses and alibies.

you really arent getting this at all are you. . . . no team plays exactly the same every game every season on an on endlessly , players in the squad come and go , the meta in football changes over time . Managers eventually come along with a new idea that is designed to deal with the current favoured style of play. Like how geggenpressing is a relatively recent style of play , or how 4-4-2 used to be popular in the 90s , but now its all 3-4-3 or 4-3-3 . . . Yes if you have a full team of genuine world-class 5 star talent you can generally brute-force your way through a weaker squad even if they have fielded a tactic that is difficult for your team to deal with. but thats still not a 100% guarantee , because . . omg " thats not how things work in sport " . . . .you are acting like the big team always wins no matter what . . .have you ever actually watched any real sport in your life ever???? BS results that shouldnt happen ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ happen constantly , all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time.

Dumbest take ever. None of that is in the game.

Tactics stop working. Your players stop playing. They wont score, pass or defend, keepers won't catch anything, stupid penalties against you all the time. And players become "sadder". The more "sad" they become, the worse they play. It gets to a point you lose every game - always a goal against in the first 2 minutes of every match, almost every shot against you is a goal; for example your opponent may shoot 4 times on target, and you lose by 3 goals.

Then you will start getting messages saying how it's your tactic, even though most errors are player errors. After losing so many matches in a row the board calls you and gives you an ultimatum to score like 7 points in 5 games or something like that. Something trivial right? I mean, you have a team which fought for promotion last season, right? Well, wrong. it becomes an insurmountable task considering the caliber of mistakes your players have.

It's ALWAYS the same. Have played around 20+ seasons on this one and the pattern happens no matter what club I jump to, no matter what formation I pick, no matter what players I choose. Always the same behaviour from the game.
You can tell easily when it has started happening due to the mistakes your players make and how 4 out of 5 shots every game is a goal against you.

[JasseBasse]

Originally posted by Terminal Velocity:

Originally posted by DeathStroke:

you really arent getting this at all are you. . . . no team plays exactly the same every game every season on an on endlessly , players in the squad come and go , the meta in football changes over time . Managers eventually come along with a new idea that is designed to deal with the current favoured style of play. Like how geggenpressing is a relatively recent style of play , or how 4-4-2 used to be popular in the 90s , but now its all 3-4-3 or 4-3-3 . . . Yes if you have a full team of genuine world-class 5 star talent you can generally brute-force your way through a weaker squad even if they have fielded a tactic that is difficult for your team to deal with. but thats still not a 100% guarantee , because . . omg " thats not how things work in sport " . . . .you are acting like the big team always wins no matter what . . .have you ever actually watched any real sport in your life ever???? BS results that shouldnt happen ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ happen constantly , all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time.

Dumbest take ever. None of that is in the game.

Tactics stop working. Your players stop playing. They wont score, pass or defend, keepers won't catch anything, stupid penalties against you all the time. And players become "sadder". The more "sad" they become, the worse they play. It gets to a point you lose every game - always a goal against in the first 2 minutes of every match, almost every shot against you is a goal; for example your opponent may shoot 4 times on target, and you lose by 3 goals.

Then you will start getting messages saying how it's your tactic, even though most errors are player errors. After losing so many matches in a row the board calls you and gives you an ultimatum to score like 7 points in 5 games or something like that. Something trivial right? I mean, you have a team which fought for promotion last season, right? Well, wrong. it becomes an insurmountable task considering the caliber of mistakes your players have.

It's ALWAYS the same. Have played around 20+ seasons on this one and the pattern happens no matter what club I jump to, no matter what formation I pick, no matter what players I choose. Always the same behaviour from the game.
You can tell easily when it has started happening due to the mistakes your players make and how 4 out of 5 shots every game is a goal against you.

This!!!

[Damedius]

It's not that your tactic stops working. If your tactic is weak against teams that park the bus, then you will have a lot less success once teams decide that you are a good team and play more defensively.

Then you have the hidden attributes like consistency and big games. plus you have complacency. Any one of those can have the effect on your team that can make all or most of your players have a bad game or two.

On top of that you have the biggest factor which is club atmosphere and morale. Which can make your team play better than they should and allow your team to win games they should lose.

So it can work both ways, you can win games you shouldn't win because of voodoo and lose games you should win due to voodoo.

[Andy]

Can play the meta 4231 geggenpress forever and do well.

[DeathStroke]

Originally posted by Terminal Velocity:

Originally posted by DeathStroke:

you really arent getting this at all are you. . . . no team plays exactly the same every game every season on an on endlessly , players in the squad come and go , the meta in football changes over time . Managers eventually come along with a new idea that is designed to deal with the current favoured style of play. Like how geggenpressing is a relatively recent style of play , or how 4-4-2 used to be popular in the 90s , but now its all 3-4-3 or 4-3-3 . . . Yes if you have a full team of genuine world-class 5 star talent you can generally brute-force your way through a weaker squad even if they have fielded a tactic that is difficult for your team to deal with. but thats still not a 100% guarantee , because . . omg " thats not how things work in sport " . . . .you are acting like the big team always wins no matter what . . .have you ever actually watched any real sport in your life ever???? BS results that shouldnt happen ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ happen constantly , all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time.

Dumbest take ever. None of that is in the game.

Tactics stop working. Your players stop playing. They wont score, pass or defend, keepers won't catch anything, stupid penalties against you all the time. And players become "sadder". The more "sad" they become, the worse they play. It gets to a point you lose every game - always a goal against in the first 2 minutes of every match, almost every shot against you is a goal; for example your opponent may shoot 4 times on target, and you lose by 3 goals.

Then you will start getting messages saying how it's your tactic, even though most errors are player errors. After losing so many matches in a row the board calls you and gives you an ultimatum to score like 7 points in 5 games or something like that. Something trivial right? I mean, you have a team which fought for promotion last season, right? Well, wrong. it becomes an insurmountable task considering the caliber of mistakes your players have.

It's ALWAYS the same. Have played around 20+ seasons on this one and the pattern happens no matter what club I jump to, no matter what formation I pick, no matter what players I choose. Always the same behaviour from the game.
You can tell easily when it has started happening due to the mistakes your players make and how 4 out of 5 shots every game is a goal against you.

all this just screams that you dont know what your doing or how the game works at all. if you did then you would understand what changes needed to be made when those kinds of issues start to appear or even better understand the warning signs to counter these problems before they even occur.

[Terminal Velocity]

Originally posted by DeathStroke:

Originally posted by Terminal Velocity:

Dumbest take ever. None of that is in the game.

Tactics stop working. Your players stop playing. They wont score, pass or defend, keepers won't catch anything, stupid penalties against you all the time. And players become "sadder". The more "sad" they become, the worse they play. It gets to a point you lose every game - always a goal against in the first 2 minutes of every match, almost every shot against you is a goal; for example your opponent may shoot 4 times on target, and you lose by 3 goals.

Then you will start getting messages saying how it's your tactic, even though most errors are player errors. After losing so many matches in a row the board calls you and gives you an ultimatum to score like 7 points in 5 games or something like that. Something trivial right? I mean, you have a team which fought for promotion last season, right? Well, wrong. it becomes an insurmountable task considering the caliber of mistakes your players have.

It's ALWAYS the same. Have played around 20+ seasons on this one and the pattern happens no matter what club I jump to, no matter what formation I pick, no matter what players I choose. Always the same behaviour from the game.
You can tell easily when it has started happening due to the mistakes your players make and how 4 out of 5 shots every game is a goal against you.

all this just screams that you dont know what your doing or how the game works at all. if you did then you would understand what changes needed to be made when those kinds of issues start to appear or even better understand the warning signs to counter these problems before they even occur.

All this screams you dont understand the game should not render your tactics useless every so many months. It should not force players to commit stupid mistakes and forget how to play, even worse, commit MORE stupid mistakes not even an amateur would do - so that you lose, and are forced to change it.
Which also leads to having to get rid of part of your team - if you dont play them anymore because their positions are GONE, they will "cry" and get sad, making the morale drop spiral even worse.

[DeathStroke]

Originally posted by Terminal Velocity:

Originally posted by DeathStroke:

all this just screams that you dont know what your doing or how the game works at all. if you did then you would understand what changes needed to be made when those kinds of issues start to appear or even better understand the warning signs to counter these problems before they even occur.

All this screams you dont understand the game should not render your tactics useless every so many months. It should not force players to commit stupid mistakes and forget how to play, even worse, commit MORE stupid mistakes not even an amateur would do - so that you lose, and are forced to change it.
Which also leads to having to get rid of part of your team - if you dont play them anymore because their positions are GONE, they will "cry" and get sad, making the morale drop spiral even worse.

just how often do you feel you are being " forced " to make tactical adjustments? you say every few months ? if you are doing this that often then its a skill issue and thats all there is. you shouldnt be needing to make major changes more then every few seasons , and even then by that point with a top team you should have been able to refine most of the flaws out of the tactic and improve the squad quality enough to make up for that . maybe your tactic just wasnt that great to begin with. Also even top players make stupid mistakes sometimes in real life too you know , awful backpasses that go to nobody or terrible late tackles ect.

[Powellinho.72]

if your tactics became useless after 3/4/5 months, could you please share screenshots of your tactics, the results, the stats basically everything we need to know. I dont buy the " my great tactics just suddenly stopped working after 3 months" thats not how the game works, you can have dips in form for multiple reasons.

[Damedius]

TBH the game isn't as complicated as you may think. If your tactic stops working it's because the AI has reevaluated you and your tactic doesn't work against defensive tactics.

If it's not that it's because your players have become complacent or you have too many inconsistent players. This can lead to a spiral where you lose a few games and then your morale becomes poor which leads to more losses.

The AI itself is really simplistic. It can't actually analyse and counter your tactics. The AI can't even rotate it's squad. Which is why SI have added other things to make the game harder. Like your players constantly asking for contracts and playing time. Your whole team getting upset because you don't give one player a contract is SI trying to make the game more difficult because they can't make the AI competent.

For instance I'm playing a save in FM 21. I'm undefeated 11 games in and players are asking for my playing time. Plus players are asking for contracts. I promised a contract at the end of the season to one player but he got mad and threw a hissy fit. Now 5 other players are upset because I won't give him a new contract.

This kind of stuff makes no sense but SI throws it into the game because once you find a tactic that works and have the right players, the game becomes easy.

[S2]

This is true.

Also for instance during the staff meetings, there are always hints like 'reduce/increase' player x promised playing time. E.g. regular starter player plays like crap for half a season. If you reduce his playing time only to squad player you have an insurgency almost guaranteed.


New in FM24: corners
You hire a set pieces coach with attribute 20. For the life of him he cannot set it up so the edge of the area in defensive corners is defended. Corner always goes to edge of area, opponent always gets a free change to score.
So you have to set up corners yourself.


Same tactical routes like 'trap inside' and 'stop crosses' dont work at all.


For things like these and the FM25 drama i have decided not to buy a FM in the next years.

[chebonaparte]

Something is fundamentally wrong with your defence. Sort out your centre midfield too that is key. Use key statistics.

[chebonaparte]

I would always have at least 3 winning tactics, for Against Bigger rep teams, Away defensive tactic and home positive.

[chebonaparte]

Also some teams may have an unusual tactic or formation not suited to yours so always have an exotic freaky backup tactic to puzzle opposition lol

[Gorgeous_Joe]

It's the same every release, once you have a team full of world class players all your matches are against every team playing the same tactic against you, ten men behind the ball on the counter and you have to have 30-40 attempts on goal just to score a couple of goals. For some reason the A.I seems either incapable or unwilling to put together teams of world class players, even at Madrid or Barcelona, they have one or two but the rest of the first team squad are anything from decent to good players with some leading players.