Uninstalled the game.

[Rahj "THE BARGE" Abdul Mohmamed]

This is the most unenjoyable, IUnplayable mess of a FM game ive ever played this game has taken all the fun out the game, things that make sense just dont absolute embrassing cancer to the FM franchise this really is and its a shame and a disgrace for the people that Love football

Only way to win and play regardless what you do is Abuse metas
if you play smart and plan tactics you just get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over and get forced to do the same cancer 4 2 3 1 gegenpress ♥♥♥♥ this game its ♥♥♥♥♥ im done with it and the ♥♥♥♥ Franchise
gets ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ever year all the do is add small little ♥♥♥♥ so you think oh thats cool just football management version of FIFA increasing the price every year for a gloryifed cancerous spreadsheet of pure broken coding when nothing works or means anything ♥♥♥♥ em

[Radimov]

I agree

[gtjbm]

I couldn't explain this year's version tactically much better myself. Well done sir :)

[Gorgeous_Joe]

The simple truth is that if your team has 11 world class players and the other team doesn't then you will win 8/10 times regardless of tactics.
Most people who only play for a season or two or play in tandem with the real life club they support never realise this as there is no team in the game who start with 11 world class players covering every position.
If the teams are even, then tactics do add another variable but it's only one in a pot of them. Playing at home gives you a big advantage, players can have a good or bad game randomly, weather effects your style of play, so does the pitch and it's size and the list of variables goes on and many of them have nothing to do with the tactics you play but they have a deciding factor on the outcome.

[gtjbm]

that's actually very wrong at least in FM24. If your team plays a broken roles 4231 gegenpress they will far overachieve, even if the opponents are superior.

Trust me I've seen it first hand online, the UCL went back to Greece xD

[Rahj "THE BARGE" Abdul Mohmamed]

Originally posted by Gorgeous_Joe:

The simple truth is that if your team has 11 world class players and the other team doesn't then you will win 8/10 times regardless of tactics.
Most people who only play for a season or two or play in tandem with the real life club they support never realise this as there is no team in the game who start with 11 world class players covering every position.
If the teams are even, then tactics do add another variable but it's only one in a pot of them. Playing at home gives you a big advantage, players can have a good or bad game randomly, weather effects your style of play, so does the pitch and it's size and the list of variables goes on and many of them have nothing to do with the tactics you play but they have a deciding factor on the outcome.

Lad i support Fulham my longest save is with my club i support

[jacksawyer13]

Totally agree! It's the only FM that has put me in bad humor every time I play it. It's really bad for mental health, because it's so stupid and cruel. Seems like it was made by a bunch of people who know nothing about football. Constant FMings, hit the woodwork 3-4 times in every match, miss penalties regularly, rows with players even after two games into the season, wonderkids hardly improve and get way more injuries than normal. It's like they tried to make the game difficult but ending up just making it really, really annoying.
I've ditched it and gone back to FM23 .
Would have very little interest in the next one either.

[gtjbm]

Originally posted by jacksawyer13:

Totally agree! It's the only FM that has put me in bad humor every time I play it. It's really bad for mental health, because it's so stupid and cruel. Seems like it was made by a bunch of people who know nothing about football. Constant FMings, hit the woodwork 3-4 times in every match, miss penalties regularly, rows with players even after two games into the season, wonderkids hardly improve and get way more injuries than normal. It's like they tried to make the game difficult but ending up just making it really, really annoying.
I've ditched it and gone back to FM23 .
Would have very little interest in the next one either.

And totally agree there too. I've only stuck with FM24 as I find it hard going back to anything out-dated, but I mean this is why in a game I was in 17 of 20 people used the same identical roles / dloaded 4231 gegenpress broken tactic, simply because using anything else against it would get smashed. Any logical changes to counter it would make no difference.

Last year's was a lot better balanced and as a result fun to play, with the ability to use several systems and tactical approaches.

FM23 was the best and realistic of the most recent versions released, and FM24 by far the worst.

[Rahj "THE BARGE" Abdul Mohmamed]

Originally posted by gtjbm:

Originally posted by jacksawyer13:

Totally agree! It's the only FM that has put me in bad humor every time I play it. It's really bad for mental health, because it's so stupid and cruel. Seems like it was made by a bunch of people who know nothing about football. Constant FMings, hit the woodwork 3-4 times in every match, miss penalties regularly, rows with players even after two games into the season, wonderkids hardly improve and get way more injuries than normal. It's like they tried to make the game difficult but ending up just making it really, really annoying.
I've ditched it and gone back to FM23 .
Would have very little interest in the next one either.

And totally agree there too. I've only stuck with FM24 as I find it hard going back to anything out-dated, but I mean this is why in a game I was in 17 of 20 people used the same identical roles / dloaded 4231 gegenpress broken tactic, simply because using anything else against it would get smashed. Any logical changes to counter it would make no difference.

Last year's was a lot better balanced and as a result fun to play, with the ability to use several systems and tactical approaches.

FM23 was the best and realistic of the most recent versions released, and FM24 by far the worst.

Just a little update to how ♥♥♥♥ this game is after signing each player careful to match the formation I want to play and how i wanted to play reinstalled played the Cringe meta 4-2-3-1 tactic and now im unbeaten since i AM even playing a winger in CAM just to even more prove HOW MUCH THIS GAME ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SUCKS

[gtjbm]

oh yeah, this was raised with SI very early on in the game cycle, the broken roles within the game that were especially effective in a 4231 gegenpress and that attributes or players playing out of position within it don't seem to matter.

sadly as you can tell, despite being made aware of the severe problem it got completely ignored and SI didn't bother to even try to fix it within the next two significant patches, despite having more than enough time.

It's why i won't be investing in next year's game and tbh my confidence in them is completely shot following this experience. The only improvement for FM25 is going to be how pretty the game looks. the ME will very likely be neglected as a result, perhaps a little attention will be given to the set pieces though given that was a new design for FM 24.

[Rahj "THE BARGE" Abdul Mohmamed]

Originally posted by gtjbm:

oh yeah, this was raised with SI very early on in the game cycle, the broken roles within the game that were especially effective in a 4231 gegenpress and that attributes or players playing out of position within it don't seem to matter.

sadly as you can tell, despite being made aware of the severe problem it got completely ignored and SI didn't bother to even try to fix it within the next two significant patches, despite having more than enough time.

It's why i won't be investing in next year's game and tbh my confidence in them is completely shot following this experience. The only improvement for FM25 is going to be how pretty the game looks. the ME will very likely be neglected as a result, perhaps a little attention will be given to the set pieces though given that was a new design for FM 24.

thing is ive wanted to play the way i wanted for ages i thought a long time wanting to sign only plays that will fit my 3 4 3 system in terms on a right footed Inverted wingback-de with a Left footed Winger on the left side with a AP right footer that pushes up with the inverted wingback-DE sitting more inside to not leave a huge gap then a Inverted Winger left footed with a BWM and a Wingback Att to get the cross two centerbacks who have very good reading ablity of the game and very good tackling with a pacey Centerback thats good on the ball in the middle to being forced to win with ease using the SAME players in a broken ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 4-2-3-1

[gtjbm]

yeah, definitely feel ya. one of the things i love in FM is creating several different tactics and enjoy seeing them play out and work well.

but yes, it seems a bit pointless when there's something within the game that just overpowers anything else, for no real valid reason.

it's definitely a game more for the solo player this year, so that u can just enjoy winning everything with zero effort, and making those unrealistic footballing dreams one of a reality in the game.

[fourfourtwo79]

Ya. Purely difficulty wise, only an issue in an online save. Back then they also had FM Live, which was multiplayer exclusively. There was some stuff hard to defend back then there too, and playeres zooming in on it. It could be defended, but took effort. Still... human managers love to win with ease. They've been starting to run even testing leagues as to determine whatever is hard to defend, even. So..

Offline though, only bad players have needed to exploit defending bugs and loopholes to achieve success. That goes straight back to Diablo tactics from twenty years ago, where simply drawing a positioning/forward run arrow from the AMC position between forwards meant that AMC was always making runs the defenders couldn't pick up properly, always guaranteeing you a few extra chances per match and a crucial goal or two. Or the short corner bug ca. FM 2007/2008ish, which could make your centre back the top scorer, as the defending of corners didn't work properly. All of this naturally made player quality moot too. If something isn't properly defended, it's not properly defended, simple as that.

AI managers operate completely different. That's the opposition offline. They have favored formations each edited, for a start. Bias as to how attacking/cautious they are, prefered roles, etc. They also don't stick to a tactic 24/7, but change accordingly, also during a match, adapting to scorelines. Which you could also always witness if you followed AI vs AI matches.

[Rahj "THE BARGE" Abdul Mohmamed]

Originally posted by fourfourtwo79:

Ya. Purely difficulty wise, only an issue in an online save. Back then they also had FM Live, which was multiplayer exclusively. There was some stuff hard to defend back then there too, and playeres zooming in on it. It could be defended, but took effort. Still... human managers love to win with ease. They've been starting to run even testing leagues as to determine whatever is hard to defend, even. So..

Offline though, only bad players have needed to exploit defending bugs and loopholes to achieve success. That goes straight back to Diablo tactics from twenty years ago, where simply drawing a positioning/forward run arrow from the AMC position between forwards meant that AMC was always making runs the defenders couldn't pick up properly, always guaranteeing you a few extra chances per match and a crucial goal or two. Or the short corner bug ca. FM 2007/2008ish, which could make your centre back the top scorer, as the defending of corners didn't work properly. All of this naturally made player quality moot too. If something isn't properly defended, it's not properly defended, simple as that.

AI managers operate completely different. That's the opposition offline. They have favored formations each edited, for a start. Bias as to how attacking/cautious they are, prefered roles, etc. They also don't stick to a tactic 24/7, but change accordingly, also during a match, adapting to scorelines. Which you could also always witness if you followed AI vs AI matches.

Who says it’s an online save? 🤨

[gtjbm]

You should be okay in that case if you're playing solo. It just maybe a bit more challenging not using a formation, certain roles and a philosophy that is known to break the game.

Post above is very right, it just was not fun playing this year's game online because everyone abuses the same exploits and so you're forced to do the same thing if you don't want to get screwed over.

It was a shame though, because if the balance was right tactically this year it probably would have been one of the best FMs released - but without it, it's very much one of the worst, at least with online play.

[Shaman King]

Originally posted by Matt:

This is the most unenjoyable, IUnplayable mess of a FM game ive ever played this game has taken all the fun out the game, things that make sense just dont absolute embrassing cancer to the FM franchise this really is and its a shame and a disgrace for the people that Love football

Only way to win and play regardless what you do is Abuse metas
if you play smart and plan tactics you just get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over and get forced to do the same cancer 4 2 3 1 gegenpress ♥♥♥♥ this game its ♥♥♥♥♥ im done with it and the ♥♥♥♥ Franchise
gets ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ever year all the do is add small little ♥♥♥♥ so you think oh thats cool just football management version of FIFA increasing the price every year for a gloryifed cancerous spreadsheet of pure broken coding when nothing works or means anything ♥♥♥♥ em

LOL man then you are clearly not good at tactics i have every tactic possible and now i play the slowest tempo with shortest passing. You just need to be good at tactics if you want i can share my latest tactic here so you can see its working....433 super slow tempo shortest passing and very very creative in attack in fact i will share it now so you get the idea....
Here is the tactic i have millions of tactics like this slow tempo short passing etc you just need to think out of the box not put 2 IFs there. YOU NEED ACTUAL BRAIN TO MAKE A TACTIC LOL :D
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198009851367/screenshot/2483248871629244211/