what the hell is this fix your stupid game for fk sake

[Shaman King]

I leave the set pieces for set pieces coach to set them up and everything and all i get whole season is this :D:D:D the idiotic set piece coach or whatever bug in the game makes sure i concede atleast 20 goals from corners in a manner that they play low cross to the edge of the box where is FREEEEEE player every fkin time and i cant do nothing about it because set piece coach is managing everything in set pieces. Either fix set pieces coach or remove it from the game its useless. it destroyed my two or three seasons in a row already
https://youtu.be/LvCmUHHG-8A

[steve silent]

you know the SP coach only trains the set pieces you create..

Now if your not adjusting if you know where the mistakes are then its not the game its your fault you are the manager its your job to spot these thing and readjust.

Here's my stats

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3110517589

[Shaman King]

Originally posted by steve silent:

you know the SP coach only trains the set pieces you create..

Now if your not adjusting if you know where the mistakes are then its not the game its your fault you are the manager its your job to spot these thing and readjust.

Here's my stats

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3110517589

yeah man but no i have like 30-40k hours in football managers from fm 2005 but i completely understand its my fault but also games fault. You can delegate set pieces to set piece coach in the set piece menu. I am not talking just for myself but for people that have like 500 hours in the game. Its not plug and play you would expect its more like you need to watch comprehensive highlights and then you can see these things. For people that dont take this game this seriously they even cant spot this bug and they can think its normal but in reality its a bug in the game.
For me its easy to adjust and create overpowered set pieces i played football in local academy and for local teams until my physical problems that means like from 6-7 year old until 27 year old so i know how to set up set pieces i ♥♥♥♥♥ up some myself for my local team when we had a derby , because of my bad play we conceded.
What i mean is that for a game of this calibre you would expect after 20 years that if you click delegate set pieces to set piece coach you dont concede the most stupid abusive set pieces goal game after game just because the AI cant delegate the players normally....

[steve silent]

oh stop with the i have blah blah hours in fm games, i've played since CM, so that argument means nothing i say it with respect.

I personally watch all matches on comprehensive, and full game, so i see practically everything happening.

i also have 3 set piece setups for attacking corners and free kicks. i don't just rely on 1.

I score more set pieces than let in.

Yes some teams have different variations, so adjusting during and after the match is necessary..

[Shaman King]

Originally posted by steve silent:

oh stop with the i have blah blah hours in fm games, i've played since CM, so that argument means nothing i say it with respect.

I personally watch all matches on comprehensive, and full game, so i see practically everything happening.

i also have 3 set piece setups for attacking corners and free kicks. i don't just rely on 1.

I score more set pieces than let in.

Yes some teams have different variations, so adjusting during and after the match is necessary..

yeah but what i wanted to say was that until this version set pieces were just left alone for the game to set it up because if you changed it for better it felt like cheating. So many goals you could score from set pieces alone and adjust the play.
The only problem with set pieces i had was to adjust short set pieces that just didnt work at all in any fm version they always blasted the corner into box and didnt do the set piece corner routine i set up for short corners Barca style. So i didnt do set pieces at all and now i must do it because if i dont i concede goals like this even if i leave it for computer to decide the positioning of players.

[steve silent]

The computer (sp coach) does not set positioning of players, you do...

[Shaman King]

Originally posted by steve silent:

The computer (sp coach) does not set positioning of players, you do...

yeah they do look at this screenshot, the set pieces you see are already adjusted by me because i had to take it from the set pieces coach because he was clueless...
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198009851367/screenshot/2263685075969438086/

[steve silent]

No your not understanding, the SP coach coaches what you set,

They won't move players from zonal to man or near post
They won't change a zonal position to near post positionally.

They only use what you have set.

So your problem is not the game or set pieces, but you employed a crap SP coach.. of which I (we) can't see as you haven't shown us what his sp attribute is..

[Shaman King]

Originally posted by steve silent:

No your not understanding, the SP coach coaches what you set,

They won't move players from zonal to man or near post
They won't change a zonal position to near post positionally.

They only use what you have set.

So your problem is not the game or set pieces, but you employed a crap SP coach.. of which I (we) can't see as you haven't shown us what his sp attribute is..

wow okay man then Sorry to Sports Interactive with this post, I was in total belief that he will set up the instructions and everything regarding to set pieces, player positioning, takers, and everything. I misunderstood the setting tab then. i dont know why i thought he will just take set pieces routines away from me and set it up according to the players at disposal my bad :D. But in older fms it was automatically set up you didnt needed to do anything with the set pieces and it was already set up

[steve silent]

Hey don't worry about it, its a new thing it will take time to get used to it..

You also have to remember that the team won't be good at the routines at first, as i said they are now coached and coaching takes time. in my first season, i noticed a 1/3rd filled circle next to routines as you see in screenshot below,

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3110670597

So came to the conclusion that they are learning it.

That depends on how good your players are at the specific attributes
How good your SP coach is
How good your SP attribute is if you are also taking part in training SP.

[AoD_lexandro]

Another top tip;

Where is says "routine" click on it a few times to make multiple routines. Set them for each post and you now have a variation of set pieces.

[lemming3k]

Originally posted by steve silent:

No your not understanding, the SP coach coaches what you set,

They won't move players from zonal to man or near post
They won't change a zonal position to near post positionally.

They only use what you have set.

So your problem is not the game or set pieces, but you employed a crap SP coach.. of which I (we) can't see as you haven't shown us what his sp attribute is..

So what does delegating set pieces do exactly then?

"handles team set piece tactics" - manages the tactical instructions the team should execute during set piece routines
"handles team set piece takers list" - maintains the priority lists of set piece takers
"handles team set piece personnel lists" - maintains the priority lists of set piece personnel

I mean that sounds pretty self explanatory, but you're saying it doesn't actually do any of that? Usually when you delegate something the staff take over ie media duties, but not here?

It sounds to me like you're confusing delegating staff responsibilities with the training screen and OP is correct.

[steve silent]

do the players move positions when you assign SP coach, no, does the positions you set initially change when assigning SP coach no, he's just a coach just like fitness, gk coaches they train in that department.

Set pieces this year are not like any other previous set piece design in previous games, it is a new take, where they are trained specifically by the SP coach. or who ever is assigned to coach them,

I have been watching how set pieces work now with a level 10 club

season 1 board would not let me hire a coach so it was up to me, my sp attribute was less than 8, they did not learn much not as much as shown in last sceenshot i posted above.

the 4th season now and i was able to hire a SP coach and already they are training better

as you see in screenshot below which is 6 games further on from last screenshot that they have gone from OK to GOOD.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3110838860

Thus deducing from that

the sp coach, coaches and does not decide on who plays where and what positions to use.

Oh and of course you can always ask their advice on who plays where or who takes the free kick/corner, but it really is up to how you set it.. they follow. and train your way, same way a tactical coach will train your tactic not his, even if his fav attacking tactic is 442 but your tactic is a 4231 he will train 4231 but not as effectively as a coach knowledgable about 4231.

[lemming3k]

Again though Steve you are talking about training, not delegation. Have you looked at OPs screenshot?
They are not talking about assigning a coach on the training screen with the stars for attacking/possession etc but delegating under the staff responsibilities where you set things like sending your assman to press conferences or who sets tactics for the U21s.

There is a clear delegation for set pieces available which suggests someone else can take care of it. If not then what does it do? If nothing then why have the option?

Now I'm not surprised if it's better to set SP routines yourself since it's that way for pretty much everything, but OP is suggesting there might be an issue letting the AI do it.

[steve silent]

i will say again

Delegate
entrust (a task or responsibility) to another person, typically one who is less senior than oneself.

when delegating, is he using his own set piece routines or yours.

Now as you said in previous post about maintaining that area was not really discussed, as yes in those department the coach may change players around but how many times does that happen as it depends on the training side whether that attribute goes up or down

we know that because every now and again you get emails saying oh such and such player is no longer good enough for free kicks etc, and gives you the option to remove them,

Again if he was in control he would have just mentioned it and sorted it himself.

and to be perfectly honest i do not see why he is needed during match times, to be in control, as if i need to change a position i have to take back control anyway.

and i also think using delegation term in it is a misdeploma.

i mean you delegate a gk coach to gk coach duties don't you etc etc, they train what is put in the training schedule, unless you also have them with the basic training sessions provided by game and not using your own.

i can see what you mean but i believe with SP coach he is just a coach nothing else.

[Shaman King]

yeah but it does not matter if i delegate it to assistant or set piece coach the result is the same. At the end of the box the player is free to score and they always somehow choose to involve that player into the play because he is a free player to pass to or for rebounds and i conceded many many goals like this then i gave up and took the set pieces setting myself and it dont happen anymore. Its even broken in the instruction settings when you choose you want all your players to defend set pieces instead of balanced or counter you have all your players in the box and noone is waiting at the edge of the area. You can look it yourself just choose the option in the wizard when it ask you to set up the corners