Fatigue??

[lemming3k]

I need to send players on holiday in October! And then every few weeks after that??

Sorry but that's mental. Using 5 subs every match, no internationals and no training after games or in the evenings. There's no way they should be tiring that early or often.
How did this get through testing?

[Ngoc]

Stop using gegenpress than other tactic tire player less

[lemming3k]

Originally posted by Ngoc:

Stop using gegenpress than other tactic tire player less

I'm not I'm using wing play. Try again.

[Garuda One]

Can you post a screenshot of your tactic, including the 'intensity' bar at the top?

[steve silent]

Originally posted by lemming3k:

Originally posted by Ngoc:

Stop using gegenpress than other tactic tire player less

I'm not I'm using wing play. Try again.

Do you play with Very attacking for 90 minutes? they get jaded if you do that after 2-3 games in a row.

[Ngoc]

pointless i suspect nobody ever need to send player on holiday in October he is doing something wrong and blaming the game he is not looking for help in understanding what he is doing wrong.

[steve silent]

Originally posted by Ngoc:

pointless i suspect nobody ever need to send player on holiday in October he is doing something wrong and blaming the game he is not looking for help in understanding what he is doing wrong.

by rights he should only be giving them 1 or 2 days off it tiredness starts kicking in. its not a solution but with backup players can extend the playing time for the main players needing it.

If a player can't reach 100% fitness (say 93%) he will need a day off after the next match to regain fitness level.

[lemming3k]

Originally posted by steve silent:

Do you play with Very attacking for 90 minutes? they get jaded if you do that after 2-3 games in a row.

Regular attacking. Very attacking is a desperation tactic for at most last 10 minutes of a losing match (rare) and often switch down to counter when winning.
I almost always sub 5 on or before 60 minutes, particularly orange/red hearts. Also rotate them as much as possible when they aren't green to start. Obviously short of having 3 squads there are limitations on what I can do but nothing weird going on.
Sent one on holiday 4 times last year and one of those was after they came back and played 60 minutes.

I pushed them way harder on FM20 with practically full intensity Gegenpress, full training slots, and that only had 3 subs! Only ever needed one or two rest days here and there or maybe 1 week holiday after Christmas if they played internationals all summer they would get jaded. I'd expect one or two rest days to be perfectly reasonable not 4 weeks holiday!

Have to laugh as I've seen people talk of Star players needing to play every game or they moan when they physically cannot play every game!

Originally posted by Ngoc:

pointless i suspect nobody ever need to send player on holiday in October he is doing something wrong and blaming the game he is not looking for help in understanding what he is doing wrong.

Ah yes the game is perfect and I just came here to lie I guess?
Keep assuming. You know what they say about that right?

[Garuda One]

Can you post your tactic? Also if the players have low stamina attributes- below 11 on a moderately intensive tactic and they'll be orange/red heart by 65-70 minutes.

[steve silent]

Originally posted by Garuda One:

Can you post your tactic? Also if the players have low stamina attributes- below 11 on a moderately intensive tactic and they'll be orange/red heart by 65-70 minutes.

ah there it is totally forgot about the stamina attribute.... yeh low ones defo won't be good for 90 minutes play.

[Garuda One]

For reference, this is my tactic in a match I'm in right now:

https://steamcommunity.com/id/Bloodhuey/screenshot/2297460714253144643/


We're 73mins in. Carlin was already tied before the match and Tengstedt only has a natural fitness and stamina rating of 9, so as expected, he's nearing his limit just 73 mins in.

The others are mostly okay considering the intensity of my tactic honestly. Which is why I'm curious to see your tactic and also make note of the physical attributes of the players you're struggling with. I'm in Sweden so match density isn't as bad as say, England, but I'm still playing 2 matches a week regularly- lots of friendlies to keep match sharpness up, and fatigue hasn't been a problem. Wasn't really an issue for me when I was managing Eastleigh in Sky Bet league one/two before this either so long as you're rotating your team effectively and not overdoing the tactical intensity every single match.

[Ngoc]

the game is no perfect but nobody has this problem so it's you making something wrong accept it.

[steve silent]

Originally posted by Garuda One:

For reference, this is my tactic in a match I'm in right now:

https://steamcommunity.com/id/Bloodhuey/screenshot/2297460714253144643/
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Nice tactic dude.

a fellow work ball into box with play for set pieces.. manager.

[lemming3k]

Originally posted by Garuda One:

Can you post your tactic? Also if the players have low stamina attributes- below 11 on a moderately intensive tactic and they'll be orange/red heart by 65-70 minutes.

I'll see if I have an old save with the full tactic as I'm prepping for next season and decided avoiding gegenpress was a waste of time if they're going to get this tired anyway might as well go to the max.
I tweaked it a few times over the years but aimed about 75% intense with regroup, low block as I always avoided the pressing options but it did use counter.
Player stamina is mostly 10-13 or so with some outliers, but of course the lower ones will be subbed more and rotated. Also day after match is recover-rest-rest. No exceptions. Sundays can be full rest if there is no game that week and also none of the starting 11 play EFL trophy so those weeks they get 3 rest days. I avoid orange intensity training as well. If anything I think I'm under-training them.

To be clear I expect some level of red hearts/tiredness/player rotation and maybe even the odd holiday if I really push someone but this is far beyond anything I've experienced. There is 0 chance someone is playing 40+ league games and IRL that would be a pretty common occurrence, with some even playing all games.

[Garuda One]

Aye! I just like controlling possession lol

[Garuda One]

Originally posted by lemming3k:

Originally posted by Garuda One:

Can you post your tactic? Also if the players have low stamina attributes- below 11 on a moderately intensive tactic and they'll be orange/red heart by 65-70 minutes.

I'll see if I have an old save with the full tactic as I'm prepping for next season and decided avoiding gegenpress was a waste of time if they're going to get this tired anyway might as well go to the max.
I tweaked it a few times over the years but aimed about 75% intense with regroup, low block as I always avoided the pressing options but it did use counter.
Player stamina is mostly 10-13 or so with some outliers, but of course the lower ones will be subbed more and rotated. Also day after match is recover-rest-rest. No exceptions. Sundays can be full rest if there is no game that week and also none of the starting 11 play EFL trophy so those weeks they get 3 rest days. I avoid orange intensity training as well. If anything I think I'm under-training them.

To be clear I expect some level of red hearts/tiredness/player rotation and maybe even the odd holiday if I really push someone but this is far beyond anything I've experienced. There is 0 chance someone is playing 40+ league games and IRL that would be a pretty common occurrence, with some even playing all games.

The problem is definitely going to be those lower stamina and natural fitness attributes if you're playing in a nation like the UK with the crazy match saturation. You can still run a higher intensity tactic as your main tactic, but you definitely need a secondary tactic- probably a defensive/possession tactic without countering- focusing on regrouping and playing low tempo. I always keep a tactic like that available in the lower leagues when players are just not physically capable to handle the match loads. Especially if I have runs of away games I'll use it for 3-4 matches out of sets of 5 to ease the intensity demands, then swap back to my more intense/pressing primary tactic.

By rule of thumb I try to not sign wingers, fullbacks, and CM's who have stamina ratings below 13. Not always possible but in my opinion, especially in lower divisions physical attributes>>>>> everything else.

Anyways, good luck.