Too many goals.

[Cephei]

I like the engine, it looks promising, a nice improvement over FM23 but defending really has to improve.

I had crazy scores when playing as PSV in a regular 4-4-2 system.

In the competition I get scores like
9-0
1-9
6-5
8-4
2-7

In the champions league I lost from Bayern munchen with 6-5 at home and 4-5 away. 3-5 and 4-6 vs Newcastle United.

It kinda sucks like every year that it's impossible to build a solid defensive system because defenders always make stupid mistakes even the world class defenders.
Like every year gegenpress/counter attack, max trigger press/ max tempo and positive tactics is Overpowered as always.

[Kerpal]

Hi Cephei,

I do not have the same experience as you. Defenders do stupid mistakes if they are mentaly not good enough in important stats. If your oppenment is alot better. If they play the wrong role. If you play the wrong tactic/instructions/role doesn´t matter if you win or not atleast. If they are frustrated or if they need a restday and have bad conditions. To the issue with alot of goals: I would send the savefile from if possible to SI to let them look over. Just report as bug. Also Netherlands 1.Division is not good overall and weak. PSV is top-notch thats another point why you win with alot of goals maybe but as I´ve mentioned before let it check. If you do please let us know here what was the result. ;=)

[PuppetMasterr]

im playing with 3-4-3 and i guess this game has the best meta for defensive tactics other teams cant create xG against me.

[oldagetron]

Originally posted by Cephei:

I like the engine, it looks promising, a nice improvement over FM23 but defending really has to improve.

I had crazy scores when playing as PSV in a regular 4-4-2 system.

In the competition I get scores like
9-0
1-9
6-5
8-4
2-7

In the champions league I lost from Bayern munchen with 6-5 at home and 4-5 away. 3-5 and 4-6 vs Newcastle United.

It kinda sucks like every year that it's impossible to build a solid defensive system because defenders always make stupid mistakes even the world class defenders.
Like every year gegenpress/counter attack, max trigger press/ max tempo and positive tactics is Overpowered as always.

Yeah its alot harder to make a defensive tactic, im currently doing a Bari save playing mentallity defensive. It was tough at first but form is good now. Its mastering or atleast understandin how the press works in the game(which im starting to get to grips with). Best tip is to play your defensive tactic fresh, set it up with no added player instructions set all your defenders on defend on take it from there. keep it basic , keep the press on low. Ive started now to increase pressing on certain players individually to more or much more to close down certain areas or players on the other team that need to be closed down. Also just pick one player on the opposition team to trigger press, max 2 players.

[Matt]

I actually stopped playing the beta, because of this.

It's like the defenders and GK's are ghosts.

Hoping after full release and some patches, the scoring is more realistic.

Maybe i am just crap at the game, but never had this problem in previous FM's, so i will just watch to see if patches change anything in the coming weeks.

[oldagetron]

Originally posted by Matt:

I actually stopped playing the beta, because of this.

It's like the defenders and GK's are ghosts.

Hoping after full release and some patches, the scoring is more realistic.

Maybe i am just crap at the game, but never had this problem in previous FM's, so i will just watch to see if patches change anything in the coming weeks.

I know exactly what you mean but i think thats the issue, if your or mine or anybodys press is wrong for the match the match engine will show it too drastically. When we have a tactical issue with our tactics right now it is soul destroying to see you players not compete or mark up or press. But you can fix it. It can be done. I go back to basics when this happens to much and reset my press. I just nullified a match which i won 2-0 to 6 shots for me and 2 for the AI. I was well pleased.

[SaLaĐiN]

Dude, it is literally the same engine with some tweaks and as much terrible defending.

[Kerpal]

Originally posted by SaLaDiN:

Dude, it is literally the same engine with some tweaks and as much terrible defending.

Nope, there is not a such big terrible bad defending problem in the actually ME. If you have alot of problems with your defenders and if they do alot of mistakes it is your fault because then you do something wrong. Stop to blame the ME for your bad results mate.

[SaLaĐiN]

Originally posted by Silv3rCGN:

Originally posted by SaLaDiN:

Dude, it is literally the same engine with some tweaks and as much terrible defending.

Nope, there is not a such big terrible bad defending problem in the actually ME. If you have alot of problems with your defenders and if they do alot of mistakes it is your fault because then you do something wrong. Stop to blame the ME for your bad results mate.

Oh, another football manager enjoyer thinking he has some clue about football, positional play and how it is played in real life because he uses IWB and the halfback in his tactics, it makes you the next Guardiola. He can't tell the players specifically when, how and where to move and under which condition to mark, press, can't even decide if to play offside trap or not or even choose if to play zonal marking or not, but muh defending superior, it is your tactic TM. My sides.

[Kerpal]

Originally posted by SaLaDiN:

Originally posted by Silv3rCGN:

Nope, there is not a such big terrible bad defending problem in the actually ME. If you have alot of problems with your defenders and if they do alot of mistakes it is your fault because then you do something wrong. Stop to blame the ME for your bad results mate.

Oh, another football manager enjoyer thinking he has some clue about football, positional play and how it is played in real life because he uses IWB and the halfback in his tactics, it makes you the next Guardiola. He can't tell the players specifically when, how and where to move and under which condition to mark, press, can't even decide if to play offside trap or not or even choose if to play zonal marking or not, but muh defending superior, it is your tactic TM. My sides.

No SaLaDiN, I am not that kind of player. And I am not using IWB and the half back in my tactics just because alot of players think thats the new META! I do not like it. I play almost with the same tactic since 4 years now! And it almost works very well, in every match, I just had to change 1 thing. What I can tell you so far is, that my experience of the game is totally different. And I am just keep asking me how is that possible? Just for you for an example. I have played in my last save before I stopped 49 games in the Bundesliga with Dortmund. I´ve watched alot of my games the full 90 minutes, also alot of matches with just an extended summary in 3d. So in 49 games my team got only 1,29 expected deceived goals. Of course I play with Dortmund. But I do not have the best team. But if there was an defending problem in the ME, I think I would not had have the best defense in the league and such a good expected goals result. Also, I did not saw alot of mistakes in thr 3d ME, of course some happens, because if not, then every game ends 0:0, but not that I could think there is something totally wrong. If you play in higher leagues and you still have alot of defenders mistakes then you do something wrong or your team is one of the weakest. But that is only my opinion, my experience so far and not offended to you.

[SaLaĐiN]

Defending in this game is terrible and that is a fact. If this game were like FM2010 or 2011, you would be able to play with low defensive block and highest possible attacking pressing line. You would make the team on your half having defensive mentality using the sliders, put no one with the advanced midfield area and just play 3 narrow strikers and you would win nearly all matches. Because this is how ME works.

The only thing which was "addressed" and "fixed" over the years is you can no longer set up a team like that, sliders were removed, you got fixed roles which can be only slightly tweaked, vertical length of the team was severely restricted too and that is only one reason behind it because then there would be those nonsensical exotic tactics and they would dominate every match like they did in the past. Not the mention the 3 narrow strikes allow you to create ridiculous tactics without any team balance even today because the only way how to address it would be prohibiting people using them.

[Kerpal]

Originally posted by SaLaDiN:

Defending in this game is terrible and that is a fact. If this game were like FM2010 or 2011, you would be able to play with low defensive block and highest possible attacking pressing line. You would make the team on your half having defensive mentality using the sliders, put no one with the advanced midfield area and just play 3 narrow strikers and you would win nearly all matches. Because this is how ME works.

The only thing which was "addressed" and "fixed" over the years is you can no longer set up a team like that, sliders were removed, you got fixed roles which can be only slightly tweaked, vertical length of the team was severely restricted too and that is only one reason behind it because then there would be those nonsensical exotic tactics and they would dominate every match like they did in the past. Not the mention the 3 narrow strikes allow you to create ridiculous tactics without any team balance even today because the only way how to address it would be prohibiting people using them.

Sorry, I have one question. Why do you compare the actuall ME with the game from 2010? What is the effort on it? I´ve played it aswell and it was bad (not good as it is nowadays) because of the 3d engine. Nowadays it is more fun to play FM24. Also, you know exactly how the actuall ME works? Interesting, so you are one of the SI-Team and undercover in the Discussion-Part to answer questions? if so please let me know. I have some question aswell. Also, could it maybe be that a todays Guardiola-Tika-Taka-Style probably encounter everyones good old-full counter-tactics? I stop here. This discussion all the time. They make no sense.

Enjoy mate. Have a good day.

[masson.jerem]

Regarding the ME this game is awesome however i stop to played because the beta its too easy and overscored, too muchs goals which is not realistic at all, I hope they will fix it with major update and some mod coming soon