CHEATERS: Ranked Battles

[Night Writer]

I thought I'd bring up something I know some of you have probably already noticed.
There is a ridiculous amount of cheating occurring in the Ranked PVP battles. I am not sure whether NIS is aware of this (or even cares), because these people are even labeling themselves cheaters and still holding Rank 1 spots on the leader boards, currently.

Examples: Teams with 15 Billion + Power Rating.
For Context I attained 4.6 Billion Power rating maxed out on the strongest party I have ever built, and I have over 400 hours in the game. That doesn't mean I am a great player or anything, it just means I have grinded for a long time (which anyone can do). Disgaea 7 is not a skill based game, especially the Demonic Intelligence Battles/PVP.
Basically for you to be powerful in Disgaea, you simply need a lot of spare time.
But to achieve a 15 Billion+ Power rating, you are talking about 3-4 times the equivalent of a team of 10 Carnage Super Overlord Baals. For reference this means Each Character is 1.5 Billion Power Rating by themselves.

Example 2: A Team with 10+ maxed out Female Ninja's at 99,999,999,999 HP and SP
and all have 100% Resistance to all Weapons and Elements is essentially impossible. Another fun fact is these characters evilities have no stat buffs of any kind. This is very clearly cheating. I have even seen players with 45 Unique Evilities present on their characters. Yet NIS does nothing about it and does not have any way to enforce Legit characters in the game.

Example 3: The strongest single LEGIT character I have ever seen in game (in 400+ hours of Game time) had a power rating of 1.2 billion, with HP/SP at just above 3.5 Billion, and 99,999,999 in all Stats. They had 3 Armor slots all with lvl 500 Epic Items for stat boosting, and a lvl 500 Epic Weapon. But they did not have 100% Resistances to all Weapons and all Elements. Their Evilities were legitimately equipped etc.

So if you took 10 of those Legit Characters, and combined them on a team you would have a score of just 12 Billion.

I wanted to write this to basically bring attention to the fact that all this time after release NIS have not implemented any method with which to stop hacked/Trained Characters in Game. We have players who are competing with legitimately built teams with real time invested (hundreds or hours) of grinding to get to the top tiers and True End Game content and it means nothing because a cheater can come in and use a Disgaea 7 Cheat Engine/Trainer and blow everyone out of the competition and NIS does not appear to be doing anything to stop them.

They are so emboldened to even title their Team "CHEATERS", and make all team members immune to all attacks, and give them 45 Unique Evilities, etc. There clearly needs to be some monitoring/management of the Ranked Battles put in place or an anti-cheat feature added.

I'd also like to add that this is clearly an issue where NIS did not think ahead and conclude they were porting their game to PC, which allows for modifications such as cheat engines/trainers to be implemented by a specific type of player. NIS if you are going to add a multiplayer feature to a game, you should include methods to enforce legitimate play, because if you do not, legitimate players will simply not use that feature and your game will fail.

[Overeagerdragon]

well duh; it's an online ranking and this game has no anticheat...

I saw this coming from a mile away when they announced there would be a "leaderboard"... I've even warned some indie devs that this would happen when they wanted to introduce ladders. And guess what... 10/10 times it resulted in rampant cheating when introduced without "moderation"

People REALLY don't care about the hows and why's.... as long as they can be #1

EDIT: and for the record... there was a player in the ranking with maxed out stats (all of them) on the MP on release day so NISA/NIS knows; they just don't give a F

[Night Writer]

Your points are my points exactly>

"well duh; it's an online ranking and this game has no anticheat..."

(So how come NIS didn't consider this)

"I saw this coming from a mile away when they announced there would be a "leaderboard"...

( So how come NIS didn't see this coming from a mile away?)

"People REALLY don't care about the hows and why's.... as long as they can be #1"

(If you and I know this, how does NIS not?)

Truth is NIS knows all these things, they are simply too lazy to implement anything that would change it. But should we be surprised? I mean they have been using the same character models, same Weapon Models/Names and the same PS2 graphics for the last 20+ years on their flagship title, if that tells you anything.

Each release, the cost for the consumer goes up, but the effort from the Dev Team goes down. Anyone care to explain that?

[Night Writer]

I thought 15+ billion Power rating was cheating, man was I wrong.. Now we have 60+ billion power rating with not one hacked character, but 10. All with 99,999,999,999 HP and SP with 99,999,999 in every stat with 99 movement, 99 Jump and 99% resistance to all Elements and Weapons. And just when you thought that wasn't enough cheating they get 45 Unique Evilities as well. Sitting in rank 1 and untouchable.

So I have decided that if I see a cheater in any rank above me, they simply do not count. So if I place 3rd, in my mind I actually placed 1st, since I didn't cheat to get there.

[Chad "The King" ThunderCuck]

"people are better than me and understand how to exploit the broken copy/pasted systems of digaea better than i do, so they must be cheating"

[Night Writer]

@ "CHAD"
Your name says everything I need to know about you, to determine that any interaction with you will result in an extensive waste of my time. Good Luck.

[inviso87]

I feel like the over the cap unique evilities thing was patched out at one point. I personally have not seen it in a while and I typically do look at the few folks at the top, as I am usually in top 5 with my lazy Fuji. Perhaps I simply missed it but yeah, 100% thought it got patched.

As an FYI, there is an exploit to get above "normal" HP/SP in the game for characters. It involves doing subclasses last on a character (so if you max subclasses first, you can't do the exploit). I haven't personally used it myself b/c I just don't need to. But yeah, this might be the reason you're seeing such high points for HP/SP (tho 99,999,999,999 HP/SP is not possible and is only achievable through cheating), but folks with like 3-5 billion HP may have gotten it legit using the exploit which in turn is adding fat to their points.

[Night Writer]

Inviso ! Nice to meet you, we battle all the time for top spots. I am Death Knights :)
And of course I am talking about the ones with 99,999,999,999 HP/SP as the cheaters. 2-4 Billion HP is totally normal, not 99 Billion. As I mentioned. I saw 45 unique Evilities just 4 Ranked Seasons ago at least, (like within the last 4-5) weeks, so not sure if that's been patched out. Also 99% resistance to all Weapons and Elements I have seen recently too.
Nice to see another Ranked Battles Regular on the forums. I (weekly) place in the top 3, and hold #1 spot for sometimes days, but then the Asian Timezone players come in while I am sleeping or working and bump me to #2 or #3 by getting their ratings higher at the last second. I finally gave up trying to get #1, because it just isn't feasible with cheating and timezone constraints/work requirements. I battle only at night typically after work, and usually just play till they start handing me server disconnects, because I win 10+ times in a row, and then suddenly I loose connection for like 30 minutes to an hour, and then I can reconnect and try again. Any ways good luck with your Fuji see you on the battlefield. If you want to discuss strats/builds send me a message.

[inviso87]

Originally posted by Knight Writer:

Inviso ! Nice to meet you, we battle all the time for top spots. I am Death Knights :)
And of course I am talking about the ones with 99,999,999,999 HP/SP as the cheaters. 2-4 Billion HP is totally normal, not 99 Billion. As I mentioned. I saw 45 unique Evilities just 4 Ranked Seasons ago at least, (like within the last 4-5) weeks, so not sure if that's been patched out. Also 99% resistance to all Weapons and Elements I have seen recently too.
Nice to see another Ranked Battles Regular on the forums. I (weekly) place in the top 3, and hold #1 spot for sometimes days, but then the Asian Timezone players come in while I am sleeping or working and bump me to #2 or #3 by getting their ratings higher at the last second. I finally gave up trying to get #1, because it just isn't feasible with cheating and timezone constraints/work requirements. I battle only at night typically after work, and usually just play till they start handing me server disconnects, because I win 10+ times in a row, and then suddenly I loose connection for like 30 minutes to an hour, and then I can reconnect and try again. Any ways good luck with your Fuji see you on the battlefield. If you want to discuss strats/builds send me a message.

Ah, so that is indeed you! Hello!

It's possible they used an older version of the game that's available that somehow bypasses the patch that was put in to fix that from happening. Either way, they're done doing updates till the Complete version comes out, sadly. I too lose out to the Asian timezone players, which is frustrating. Thankfully I have won one or two times, but you can just get the Gold Trophy from IG2 of Silver Trophy if that's the issue. I also typically keep my battling to Sunday and Monday evenings.

As an FYI, do 9 matches, then idle the game back in the base for 5-7 mins. Rinse and repeat :) I have found it takes longer for the cooldown than manually waiting for it to work.

Also, see the player with 3000 points this week? That bug was also supposed to be patched also but somehow it is randomly happening that they are getting rollover from previous weeks. It's annoying b/c battling #1 spot is also seemingly bugged in that their battle rating will always match yours. Ah well, hopefully Complete fixes that also :)

I'm not well versed in using Steam so feel free to message me first and hopefully I get a notification and can find it from there, haha!