Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver

Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver

lautric 2016 年 9 月 9 日 上午 5:54
hidden racist content in the game
i remeber playing the game since playstation 1 and seeing la ilah ila allah written upside down
https://twitter.com/larrybird_q8_94/status/711328558963105792
on the wall in a boss fight which i didnt realize was racism against islam at the time , and i know its written in arabic so not many will be able to actually know but u can type it on google to check it
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RingovonDttD 2016 年 9 月 16 日 上午 7:49 
Yeah, iam a moslem an nobody is supposed to anything against my religion becaus im pissed if you do. Mimimimimimimi......
Get a live.
Allard 2016 年 9 月 16 日 上午 9:39 
引用自 lautric
引用自 RT
It's racist against islam because... why, exactly?
Okay, for one, you can't be racist against islam because islam is not a race, it's a religion.
For two, being racist against something is saying or doing something that states that this particular race is inferior, which I don't see here.
For three... are you bloody serious with this?

because they wrote the wrote first commandment of islam upside down
secondly mister language troll english is my second language and i use the word racism as i like
thirdly i am serious about this why wouldnt i ? when im a muslim and an arab and some block head developer goes and puts this in a game he is selling to troll , why wouldn t i be serious ?! logic...
So what if its upside down? DOOM 3 has bible quotes played backwards, it's now racist too?
Yeah, well it's my second language too, but it doesn't give me or anyone else the right to "use the word as I like". Words have definitions for a reason. You can't just point at something and call it a something even if it has nothing to do with it.
Because this is really, really amazingly stupid, that's why.
Slightly_Twisted 2016 年 10 月 18 日 下午 6:37 
And the Saraphan are named after a russian dress.
Allard 2016 年 10 月 19 日 上午 8:36 
引用自 wrace
It is just incorrect mispelling (by developers) of the word Seraphim. For BO1 in one translation I saw the appropriate fix.
Я бы предположил, что они его исказили намеренно.
Slightly_Twisted 2016 年 10 月 19 日 上午 8:53 
引用自 RT
引用自 wrace
It is just incorrect mispelling (by developers) of the word Seraphim. For BO1 in one translation I saw the appropriate fix.
Я бы предположил, что они его исказили намеренно.
Agreed.


As for the racist undertones, I doubt it was anything close to racism. Mostly because Islam is not a race (despite how entitled they think they are), but also because people didn't do that kind of stuff back then in video games. It has only been since 2008 and onward that people started using religion to attack games and stiffle creativity, and consequently programmers began getting blamed for doing such things out of spite.

It may have been from sheer negligence of religion, or maybe inspiration because of the way it looks, but not racism. Back when I played this on the playstation 1 I wouldn't have even thought of that as anything other than a decorative trim, just as when they use Egyptian hieroglyphics in games, or latin phrases from the bible.

The important thing I feel we need to ask here is in what way has OP changed that he now feels it offensive that he didn't back then?
Allard 2016 年 10 月 19 日 上午 10:03 
引用自 wrace
Понятно, что намеренно, хотя имя Каина не стали коверкать.
Зато в итоге мы и имеем орден сарафанов. :steamfacepalm:
Как сказать. Имя библейского Каина принято транскрибировать как Caine.
Slightly_Twisted 2016 年 10 月 19 日 上午 10:26 
引用自 RT
引用自 wrace
Понятно, что намеренно, хотя имя Каина не стали коверкать.
Зато в итоге мы и имеем орден сарафанов. :steamfacepalm:
Как сказать. Имя библейского Каина принято транскрибировать как Caine.
Not just that, Raziel is based on Azriel the Archangel. If I remember correctly, Azrael is the accepted name of the Angel of Death in the Qur'an, and Azriel is one of the commanders of the angels in jewish Kabbalah.
WULTHUZ~(swe)~ 2016 年 10 月 28 日 上午 11:18 
引用自 lautric
引用自 RT
It's racist against islam because... why, exactly?
Okay, for one, you can't be racist against islam because islam is not a race, it's a religion.
For two, being racist against something is saying or doing something that states that this particular race is inferior, which I don't see here.
For three... are you bloody serious with this?

because they wrote the wrote first commandment of islam upside down
secondly mister language troll english is my second language and i use the word racism as i like
thirdly i am serious about this why wouldnt i ? when im a muslim and an arab and some block head developer goes and puts this in a game he is selling to troll , why wouldn t i be serious ?! logic...

Problems with you muslim is you do not practice what you preach at all ! and you are all the sudden beilevers when it suits you ! I´m pretty sure such western evil inventions like video games about the occult would not fly well with your Imam ! get a sense of humor ffs! we who are born christians do not take offense or even bother with similar things ! and there are metalbands on national TV singing about dececrating jesus and upside down crosses everywhere ! so why should you !? critics towards a religion is a matter of freedom of speech in any democracy religion is not and ethnicity !!
Slightly_Twisted 2016 年 10 月 28 日 下午 12:41 
引用自 KILLMINISTER~swe~
引用自 lautric

because they wrote the wrote first commandment of islam upside down
secondly mister language troll english is my second language and i use the word racism as i like
thirdly i am serious about this why wouldnt i ? when im a muslim and an arab and some block head developer goes and puts this in a game he is selling to troll , why wouldn t i be serious ?! logic...

Problems with you muslim is you do not practice what you preach at all ! and you are all the sudden beilevers when it suits you ! I´m pretty sure such western evil inventions like video games about the occult would not fly well with your Imam ! get a sense of humor ffs! we who are born christians do not take offense or even bother with similar things ! and there are metalbands on national TV singing about dececrating jesus and upside down crosses everywhere ! so why should you !? critics towards a religion is a matter of freedom of speech in any democracy religion is not and ethnicity !!
To be fair, you christians have done enough damage on your own by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up people's lives in the US alone. To see the hypocracy of christianity, you need only look at American politics, where people are, by some strange occurance, still arguing about whether someone's body parts actually belong to the user of said body parts. THAT is a true offense, not some upside down writing from a game that probably included it carelessly from a texture library. The demolishment of the winter solstice and other practices and rebranding to be about Jesus, a la CHRISTmas, has ruined the history of countless cultures with roots that expanded farther than christianity itself. But sure, that can all be ignored, so long as you get to use your cult to say someone else's cult is wrong.

Your little game of religious superiority is a fruitless endeavor. Attempts to judge other groups by comparison to your own is rendered moot unless you can acknowledge the flaws in ALL large scale cultist ideologies. Until then, you're just as petty as OP if you have to rely on christianity to prove why his opinion is wrong.
EatABullet 2016 年 10 月 29 日 上午 10:41 
Oh boy, you found something that you were able to twist and misconstue as racist. Now what?
Greywolf 2016 年 11 月 21 日 上午 9:56 
A video game is art.

Artists have a right in every civilized country to express themselves as they like as long as they don't attack the personal life of a person (profession is more than ok, especially when it comes to politicians, presidents and prime ministers, hehe! Stupid Trump!)

Second, why is it that muslims are always on the defensive like that? It is a video game, don't you have imagination? Maybe that part of the level is part of an anti-Allah gang, or maybe it is part of Allah's great ennemy? Maybe it was just a bunch of bad guys who decided to write this upside down to insult Allah in the game world? You should chill out, it's just a video game.

You need to realize the difference between spitting on Allah/God in real life and using a blasphemous image/act in a movie, book or game about a bunch of people in the game world that spits on a religion.

It is strange that only muslim are still complaining about humouristic or story-driven art about their mythology. Those things that makes either a funny joke about Allah or the Prophet or like in Legacy of Kain where it is probably part of the story bothers muslims, but the rest of the world does not mind having jokes or stories about their own mythology. Christians don't care that people makes jokes about their Prophet and their God, the Buddhists don't care that people make jokes with or about the wiseman Buddah, Chineese don't care about twisted sayings and proverbs that Confucious said, Africans don't mind that we make fun of Ala the Mother or Olokun.

I like what Robot Chicken did with Buddah, Jesus and other holy figures, it was funny. Wish you could enjoy that with figures of your own mythology.

I would be behind you 150% if someone would desecrate a Church or Mosque or other temple/holy site IN REAL LIFE. But it is not the case here. It is a video game about hell, so maybe, just maybe you should imagine what that is, and just maybe Allah's ennemy would probably try to do all he can to ridicullize Allah in the game world... NOT the real Allah. A video game, movie, comic book and all other form of art is about imagination. If you cannot see this, than you are the only one to blame with closemindedness.

Faith is important, but it is personal. No one should force someone to believe in something like the cults, religions and sects of this world do. People should keep that to themselves and that would make the world such a better place. No more anti-semite, anti-muslims or any other extremist groups of any kind. No more discrimination due to beliefs, etc. If everyone keeps their Faith to themselves, no one will suffer. But Legacy of Kain and other art form are not real and what is not real is not blasphemous. Only bad taste things should be frowned upon, like a really bad joke about someone you know, you would protest or protect the integrity of that person you know when this happens. So if someone would say or write a serious article about any Prophet and tell bad things about him or her especially if it is not true due to ignorance and prejudices, then yes, that person would need to be denounced, but if it is a funny joke about Jesus or Mohammed, then let it be (Like you see a guy with no face and jesus. Jesus says "Ugh! What happened to your face man?!" oh! it's not my fault, my followers took my face away since they don't want anyone to know whom I am" "Oh! That sucks... how do they know it's you then?", etc.). Now I am not that good at jokes but you get the meaning. I made a joke with Jesus and Mohammed, but the joke is not about them but people who don't want to show who Mohammed was. Quite different. Anyways, all this to say that everything lies in the interpretation and never take things at the first degree. Only blind or dumb people do that.

So what I think the problem is here, is a lack of imagination and ignorance. A video game happens in a virtual world that does not exist. So if someone is having BDSM sex with any Prophet (Christian or Muslim), well, first he's not the real Prohpet, second it is not real so it is not sacriligious, third it is about a story, fourth maybe it's a story that happens in hell or a hell-like place like in Legacy of Kain, fifth it is just a story to scare and make people talk...

... and it works, look at this thread! :D
最后由 Greywolf 编辑于; 2016 年 11 月 21 日 上午 10:37
Arndell 2017 年 1 月 13 日 上午 11:43 
I'm with you Lautrec, I bet the developers dirty wives don't even wear a hijab.
They were probably wrapping bacon around their penis' to pleasure themselves while picturing homoerotic scenes in their minds as they were adding this filth to the game.

Allahu akbar! God is great!
Except for that time he made humans.....
I mean 1.6 billion perfect muslim specimens are nice, but out of 7 billion total people, god really dropped the ball and made a terrible mistake. 23% success rate is not fitting for god....
Other than that though, he did well, allahu akbar brother!
最后由 Arndell 编辑于; 2017 年 1 月 13 日 上午 11:47
dammitimmad 2017 年 1 月 14 日 上午 6:33 
Yeah hijab.. nice view from in there like from mailbox
Slightly_Twisted 2017 年 1 月 14 日 下午 2:48 
I'm genuinely surprised this is still being commented on. The folly of arguing in favor of or against overly sensitive "victims" was already established, mainly pointing to the fact that this game was made in 1999 where the developers weren't even worried about the perpetual victim movement of 2014 onward, hamfisted into everyone's faces by social media.

There is literally nothing else anyone can add to this discussion that will help change the flawed reasoning of those impaired by religion or, sad as they seem, those of whom for some irrational sense of self guilt feel the need to stand up for them.

You are playing as a mutated vampire who goes on a murderous rampage in the name of vengeance. Why does no one make the connection between religion and that, hmm?

Move on. Live in the real world. Leave the fantasies in fantasy land. The argument is done. Now it's just embarrasing to read this self indulgeant showboating.
Arndell 2017 年 1 月 15 日 上午 12:20 
引用自 Twisted_omeN
There is literally nothing else anyone can add to this discussion that will help change the flawed reasoning of those impaired by religion or, sad as they seem, those of whom for some irrational sense of self guilt feel the need to stand up for them.
The main argument from perpetual victims is endlessly screaming "Shut it down! Delete it!"
Once the rational masses stop paying attention because arguing a point with them, be it militant feminism or Islam etc, Is like trying to tell a spoiled & entitled child they can't have somthing and their opinion on it does not matter.

Once masses go quiet on it, all that's left is the cultist chants demanding a negative / pointless change .
Once it's at that stage, people who make the games, movies, tv series often just change whatever is being argued about simply to make them stfu, especially when it's somthing as inconsequential as this arab text in Soul Reaver, change it and normal people won't care or even notice.


Perhaps a little dramatic on my part ;)
Trying to make a moot point on an 18 year old game of which the demanded censorship in question never even happened.

In short, "There is literally nothing else anyone can add to this discussion" is very true, but the perpetual victims will never stop adding to it, at least in my case, replying to crap like this post is to get nothing more than a sense of petty satisfaction that I at least feel I said somthing, however pointless it is, it's probably the reason most people dig stuff like this up in my opinion.
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