trying to love this game but my god....

[Forsaken Falcon]

everything i think i make any progress and things look good, then get mass disease outbreak, ok cool n fine enough research most of the recovery things already, then its oh ♥♥♥♥ no matter wtf i dig cant find no salt at all for the laundry mat or oil for the massage table or the crap for the pharmacy to make medicine -.-

[glass zebra]

Spamming toilets should be fine to mostly keep outbreaks from happening. The other stuff are boni, but not mandatory at all. The disease system is also new and already got some tweaking in handling. They might do more tweaking

[jugruber]

I fixed my problem of disease outbreaks by building A LOT of bathrooms, every 6-8 buldings I add one. It fixed the issue, now the hospital is just for the injured :)
Salt, Oil and Coal are all products of crafting stations, you have to focus on the production buildings first... the only one I couldn't find by mining until now was the material needed for salt, so I got it doing expeditions on the exploring building, but this is not really efficient. (I play the game in another language, so I don't know the names in english, I hope I could help you though)

"Fun" is being a huge problem for me, all are getting unhappy because of this need :(

[chrisbamb]

Why is it that people cannot make a post in Forums, online anywhere without the need to swear? Is society that bad that people HAVE to swear. Stop using filler words and just talk normally!

[RagnarokAeon]

Joy (term in English version) can be solved by putting other types of entertainment such as the arena or school.

Personally, I find the hardest need to fulfill is the Necessities; I always need like 3 other buildings first just to funnel into making any of the building and items the rats want whether it's candles or pots or whatever.

[Forsaken Falcon]

Originally posted by chrisbamb:

Why is it that people cannot make a post in Forums, online anywhere without the need to swear? Is society that bad that people HAVE to swear. Stop using filler words and just talk normally!

I am speaking normally, I am a Australian, stop culturally trying to appropriate me into YOUR CULTURE , thank you.

[Crow]

Originally posted by Forsaken Falcon:

everything i think i make any progress and things look good, then get mass disease outbreak, ok cool n fine enough research most of the recovery things already, then its oh ♥♥♥♥ no matter wtf i dig cant find no salt at all for the laundry mat or oil for the massage table or the crap for the pharmacy to make medicine -.-

Piece of advice:

don't progress too fast, try to stall at times before progressing to another culture stage.

[Shaolin]

I only ever use the toilets and baths and have had no issue with disease bar the rare instance of a sick rat. I find the other hygiene buildings to be far too inefficient to bother using. I had 60 rats and was fine with 4 toilets and 4 baths. Just make sure to create a law that allows all classes to access the baths. Additionally, make sure to select the appropriate recipe depending on your situation. Some alternative recipes may be better for your situation.

[glass zebra]

Originally posted by RagnarokAeon:

Joy (term in English version) can be solved by putting other types of entertainment such as the arena or school.

Personally, I find the hardest need to fulfill is the Necessities; I always need like 3 other buildings first just to funnel into making any of the building and items the rats want whether it's candles or pots or whatever.

Necessities is not a "need" though, since it purely provides boni. They will not get unhappy from having 0 necessities. The happiness influence you can get from those are much much smaller than the ones from joy/hygiene, but the buffs are usually a lot stronger too. Plus you need those for higher classes, which can ease lot slots and provide a small production bonus and lots of prosperity.

You can definitely just put some circi around too and solve joy with that. They do however need a service Ratizens and can therefore not be spammed to easily, yet they have 2 slots and can provide a much higher number of need replenishment. Schools are really not great for joy, since their value is really low and they have quite a high input cost so early in the game. Their buff is really strong for a low class building though and there is a repeating event you unlock with them. That is what they are useful for and probably the reason why the school is not in the joy tree.

Originally posted by Shaolin:

I only ever use the toilets and baths and have had no issue with disease bar the rare instance of a sick rat. I find the other hygiene buildings to be far too inefficient to bother using.

You definitely do not need to use them, but they can provide some boni and frankly make fulfilling hygiene a lot more efficient for the Ratizens in need. A skilled massage hygiene service Rat can fulfill twice as much as a toilet (which means less time needed to fulfill need), give a neat buff and also provide some opportunities to direct money flow a bit.

You can skip most stuff entirely and just have toilets and basic circi around if you just care about need fulfilling (+ basic food like grain or meat of course), but basic needs are a thing new players should focus on to keep the town from breaking a part, while other stuff is more about choosing your path to develop the city.

[Forsaken Falcon]

Originally posted by Shaolin:

I only ever use the toilets and baths and have had no issue with disease bar the rare instance of a sick rat. I find the other hygiene buildings to be far too inefficient to bother using. I had 60 rats and was fine with 4 toilets and 4 baths. Just make sure to create a law that allows all classes to access the baths. Additionally, make sure to select the appropriate recipe depending on your situation. Some alternative recipes may be better for your situation.

my current save file, im only getting citizens with positive traits no negatives and at less 1/4 of them have the hygiene perk & even with all that this save has had the fastest outbreak so far lol it makes no senses.

[RagnarokAeon]

The key points are putting the buildings along the path the rats are taking (next to the main chest is a good idea) and making sure the range in the settings is turned up.

[glass zebra]

Originally posted by RagnarokAeon:

The key points are putting the buildings along the path the rats are taking (next to the main chest is a good idea) and making sure the range in the settings is turned up.

Having the range in the settings tuned up easily leads to a lot of downtime in the buildings due to long reservation time. If you already have them in areas where Ratizens often finish tasks, not increasing the range will usually be a lot better for efficiency.

[chrisbamb]

Originally posted by Forsaken Falcon:

Originally posted by chrisbamb:

Why is it that people cannot make a post in Forums, online anywhere without the need to swear? Is society that bad that people HAVE to swear. Stop using filler words and just talk normally!

I am speaking normally, I am a Australian, stop culturally trying to appropriate me into YOUR CULTURE , thank you.

I know lots of Australians and they don't swear every other word! Stop trying to stereotype a Nation!