WHAT A GAME

[dammitimmad]

I just finished LOK series for the first time and i want more. The story.. and voice acting are magnificent, it is piece of art. That gothic atmosphere. I cant belive that they didnt make sequel like in 2006 or 2007. Now when i finished last lok game i must say that i'd be more happy to see new game about kain and raziel than a half life 3. ITS THAT GOOD.

[Echoplex25]

but why? the game ended with Defiance and well
keep it like that, not everything needs to continue

[Arik De Frasia]

Originally posted by siegeh25:

but why? the game ended with Defiance and well
keep it like that, not everything needs to continue

Defiance may have been the last game in the series so far, but there was no clear resolution at the end of the game. There's plenty more that can be told after that ending. Hell there have been over 12 new games that kept getting cancelled since then.

[Chill]

The resolution is that Kain finally understood the reasons for the assassination attempt on his life as a human, why he was resurrected as a vampire and what his role in the salvation of Nosgoth was. Most of all his success in cheating life,death, time and prophecy along with a showdown with a godlike entity to make it happen. At some point you just run out of epic reasons to keep making games. Even if they had made Dead Sun it would present Kain as an evil vampire overlord, which they spent an entire series telling us was not the case.

As for Raziel, there is no more story to tell. He was a jerk fanatic as a human, which is why he was murdered by his future wraith self. As a wraith he served his purpose as the ultimate cleanser of the old circle of guardianss He enables Kain to move forward as the caretaker for a new generation of guardians. Now he's the battery that keeps a sword running. The End.

[Shufflecat]

Kain kinda was an evil overloard, just an evil overloard who served a purpose in the grander scheme of things.

Much as I'd like to see more games (and boy howdy would I), I agree that the main arc of the series was wrapped up in Defiance.

There was a Blood Omen 3 in the works much earlier than Dead Sun, which, as the name suggests, was to be basically "the further adventures of" Kain. Dead Sun was a seperate new story, not involving Kain as far as I know. Wouldn't be surprised if the two are easy to get confused in the public rumor memory, given how sparse info is on either. Regardless, it would be hard to follow Kain after or outside the epic main arc without it feeling like a noodling irrelevant side-story (something BO2 already suffered from, and it'd only be worse in a post-Defiance story).

It hurts to see the footage and concept art for Dead Sun and imagine what could have been, but the more bits and pieces from behind the scenes I read, the more it seems like it was actually for the best, as most of that stuff hints that the production was under very bad management and everybody involved knew the game was going to be a dumpster fire if ever got released.

Would love to see the original 4 games remastered or remade though. "Remade" in the same sense as that System Shock remake that's in development, not "rebooted".

[Dzaka]

dead sun became nosgoth. or the tiny bits left after they butchered it. and no the story wasn't done.. kain still had to track down and destroy the hilden posessed janos audron among other things. in fact defiance was the start of a new cycle. not the end of the whole cycle period

[Shufflecat]

Yes, the story was done. The Elder God was defeated, and the timeline stabilized to a non-apocalyptic outcome. Getting that stuff resolved was the plot.

Janos was a casualty (like Raziel). His role in the main plot was done, so rescuing him or whatever would be a new story. It might suck, but the way things ended, he can just be assumed dead/screwed. You could very generously call him a hanging thread, but only because we care about him and don't want to accept him just being dead/screwed, not because his fate actually represents any kind of plot hole.

To be fair, it's a much better hook for a "further adventures of" type sequel than introducing some new rando charachter or threat. A powerful story doesn't have to be about huge world-threatening/saving events. If well written, a "smaller" story about charachters people are invested in could be just as good (see: Wrath of Khan). There's a number of these kinds of loose ends/hooks (Janos, Vorador, the Oracle, the Hylden lord, etc.), but those would still all be seperate stories; not essential to the story that's already been wrapped up in its own right.

[Dzaka]

no.. the story wasn't finished. you obviously need to play again or look up to how the game ended.. the hilden reappearing is a very.. very.. bad thing.. one that didn't exist till the elder god was killed... in fact the elder god wanted the wheel to turn.. his death was in fact a bad thing

the elder god was a being enforcing the balance. which is what kain was tricked into disrupting and destroying the pillars

[Shufflecat]

Had no idea what you were talking about, so I looked up the ending cutscenes on youtube to double check, and there's nothing about the hylden.

Then it occurred to me you were maybe getting the larger timeline of events mixed up, which to be fair is super easy. This is a time travel story, so the order things happen in the games is not the order things happen in Nosgoth's history.

Basically, this stuff:

Originally posted by Dzaka:

kain still had to track down and destroy the hilden posessed janos audron among other things.

... was the plot of BO2.

That bit in Defiance where Janos gets posessed takes place waaaaayyyyy back in the past, between the events of BO1 and SR1. The result of Janos's posession was the Hylden invading Nosgoth and being re-banished by Kain in BO2.

The Hylden stuff in Defiance was put there by the writers to retroactively weave BO2 (which had been made by a different studio) into the main story, not as a hook for stuff going forward.

As of the end of Defiance, the Hylden lord is already centuries dead, and the Hylden have been trapped in the demon realm since his death. Janos isn't posessed; he's in the demon realm, either dead or trapped there with the hylden. There is nothing to suggest the Elder God was keeping them there, and nothing to suggest his defeat would allow them to escape. I think that's your own headcanon, or you've misunderstood or misremembered something.

BO3 (Dark Prophecy) was supposedly going to involve Kain traveling to the demon realm and fighting the hylden there, but it's not clear from what I've read whether this was supposed to take place before or after the end of Defiance. Wouldn't be surprised if Janos was to show up in some way, though TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if the plan was to kill him or otherwise screw him even further. There's a distinct pattern in the series' writing of people being doomed by their involvement with Kain.

[pup]

i think continuation is a Blood Omen 2. Kain make war with Hylden lord and lost.. passes centuries so Kain awakening begin. in my opinion if they just remake bo2 its enough for me :3