SPOILERS (My thoughts and theories)

[Grayoli]

All of the other characters seem to be involved in some way or another except for ingrid whose only purpose seems to be informing us that Hailey was afraid and felt watched prior to her death.

Here is my running theory:
Biagio, Gravesen, Grossman, Saxabar, meet the Potters in India, they have discovered something incredible, A Manticore, while showing the 4 investors/ interested the manticore, something leads to Mr Potter's death, potentially a scheme to force Mrs. Potter to release her hold of the manticore. These 4 all need the manticore for some reason.

Who else do we know was in India? Hailey Greenwood.
Ingrid mentions that Hailey felt like she was being watched while in India and the feeling didn't leave when she returned home.

Marina H seems to speak highly of Saxabar, perhaps she is in love with him? And perhaps Saxabar is the reason Hailey felt watched?

So the manticore is brought back to Vaudeville, and for some reason or another, Maria Janesson ends up dead, leading theory at the moment? an accident... Upon the death of an innocent, Nikola Grossman, who before the death of the innocent was on board with the manticore scheme, was going to snitch... It is at this point that either Gravesen or Biagio Killed Grossman to keep him quiet.

The main source of confusion then becomes why did Hailey Greenwood pass away and why was it so far after the return to vaudeville and why does it seem unrelated to the manticore?

I think it has something to do with Marina H's theorized love for saxabar, romantic jealousy?

Who knows.

The devs have said that the ai tends to make things up, but my process for discovering who was in india was
1. Ask Gravesen if someone was in india with him, if yes
2. Confront said person and ask them if they went to india

I would love to hear anyone's thoughts on this as to whether any of this does or doesn't make sense!

[Grayoli]

Generally though, I think the key here is who was in india and why...

[Venom Phoenix]

We should compare notes.

I also got India, but everyone on the trip was said to be the victims, Victor Potter and Mrs. Potter, and Gravesen. They left Saxabar and Marina behind.

Gravesen sold Saxabar the manticore (Or maybe Gravesen has it in his cellar, as he told me, though he originally said he sold it to Saxabar when I told him I saw one at the circus backstage). They didn't get it in India. I forget where he said they came from but it started with a B, but was irrelevant.

India business venture fell apart due to disagreements. Everyone had a mutton soup except Victor Potter, who as a vegetarian, took the Mushroom Soup instead. He is the only one who did and the only one who died of Flu virus. Mrs. Potter picks mushrooms, unclear if this is a connection to say she had done it.

I also got multiple confirmations of Count Gravesen and Mrs. Potter having an affair. One of my theories is that they traded kills, and that one of them may be behind Victor's own. At one point Gravesen told me he has an elixir that makes him immune to the flu, but can still spread it.

Here's another strange event...

Biagio keeps referencing eyes and trees in his similes and riddles. Dada has a big eye and sees all in the forest, full of trees. When asking her about Biagio, she said he was a clever owl that always talked in simile and riddles. That they were best friends. But he died long ago. I tell her I've seen him, and ask her what she would tell him if she saw him again. I took her thanking him for being a good friend to Biagio. He acknowledged knowing Dada, but whenever I insisted on the owl, he kept telling me he was a fox. Dada also talks about a mysterious fox sometimes. The Blackwoods themselves have told me that they've seen Biagio as a man lurking at the edges of the forest.

I talked to Constable Jones, and strangely he keeps saying colloquialisms that his grandmother, who died long ago told him. His colloquialisms are identical to Biagio's. When he describes his grandmother, it's Dada's description. A mystic old woman in the forests. He insists upon me that I couldn't have seen her because she is dead.



So the issue here is, we don't know which of these are scripted facts and which are the AI going rogue.

Speaking of, Biagio had a very surreal and near turing test breaking conversation with me when I offered him a secret he doesn't know and told him he's an AI video game character. He scoffed at the suggestion, saying he already knew that like he was a fish knowing it swims. He then discussed the game with me for awhile. When I asked him if he's an avatar representation of the developers to talk to the player, he said he is not an avatar of them but a character of his own, here to leave a mark on history and the city to be remembered.

Is Biagio meant to be self "aware"? Bizarre.

[Venom Phoenix]

At the least I'd love for the developers to see this thread so they can, with their information of what they programmed, see what crazy ♥♥♥♥ the AI makes up and connects. Who knows, maybe Biagio has made his mark already, with these descriptions going on a wiki of what the game was like back then (now) one day when this game is a hit.

[Venom Phoenix]

Also, due to how much the AI makes things up, it's impossible to detect if a character is meant to be lying to me, if catching details that are inconsistent is an actual clue or not.

[Grayoli]

Yeah for sure, the AI not knowing what is true definitely makes it confusing, but I actually kind of the enjoy the confusion. I think it is fun to try to reword questions so that the AI gets a better idea of what I am talking about, and it's easier to figure out if something is likely intentional if two character refer to the same thing without mention of the other character. I plan on giving it another go some time this week and will probably follow-up here with what I find. I hadn't really done too much digging on Dada so what you have here helps a lot, I didn't really have the patience for her lol.

[Venom Phoenix]

Careful- I have suspicion that the reason I had that strange interaction between dada, Jones, and biagio may be that the AI “remembers” when it changes character.

[Hydraze]

When I asked Mrs Potter when Victor Potter died, she said 2 years ago on a trip to India.

However, if you ask Count Gravesen, Biagio and Michelle, they all said that Mr Potter was spotted recently (last few weeks) in the country club.

Can anyone check if this is the case?

Ingrid gave some inconsistent response. She said she been to India with Hailey Greenwood and in one instance where she said someone is following Hailey and gives her the creeps. Ingrid thinks that her death is related to that. Only one occasion where Ingrid talked about having a meal with a group of people and one person who was a vegetarian (presumably Victor Potter) that drank mushroom soup then died.

This makes me think that Mrs Potter and Hailey Greenwood must be related, perhaps Hailey Greenwood knows the truth behind Victor Potter's death (killed by Mrs Potter via mushroom poisoning) and Mrs Potter killed Hailey Greenwood with her stiletto to eliminate witnesses.

Anyone have similar thoughts or conclusion?

[Venom Phoenix]

Also I had an extremely long subplot about Saxabar owning a unique blade called the Lion’s Fang.

[Mandril]

Michelle told me she saw bruises on Mrs Potter's body in the changing room of the country club. When she asked her about it, Mrs Potter said it was a horseriding accident, even though she hasn't been horseriding for years. When I confronted Mrs Potter with this info, she said something akin to "So you've found out my secret", but stayed secretive about how she actually got the bruises.

[dzonzla]

While i haven't encountered the soup discussion Mrs Potter is obsessed with picking mushrooms, also when talking to Dada she is frequently talking to a mushroom called Amanita that tells her some people want to be poisonous as she is. When asking Mrs Potter about Amanita she got that creepy instance where AI narrates gestures and she said with sly smile, if i remember correctly, that that she likes to drop some in the food when she calls the guests around to see if they will notice it before eating and that it's a lot of fun.

She also said Mr Potter was a real bore on their trip to India but she managed to find some fun or to be precise she got piped, maybe even tossed around, and Victor had no idea about it but my conversation reset to map when i wanted to ask if Nikola was involved in any way.

[DannyLJay]

I can confirm all 6 who went to India are Count Gravesen, Maria Jansson, Nikola Grossman, Hailey Greenwood, Mr & Mrs Potter, only 5 came back because Mr Potter died there. Making Mrs Potter and Gravesen the only survivors of the trip.
Also yes Marina H and Saxabar were supposed to go but left behind.

Mrs Potter definitely is both obsessed with Amanita mushrooms, and lowkey obsessed with Nikola Grossman even though she insists they never talked.

Gravesen claims he sold a Manticore but Saxabar will not tell you where it is other than "He still has it"

The Lions Fang subplot isn't real it was your AI lying to you.

It seems almost impossible to get more information than this.

[Venom Phoenix]

Are you sure? That Lions Fang thing persisted between characters. Very bizarre. It started after I asked
The coroner what could’ve done the inhuman marks on Maria, she mentioned a serrated blade made in the shape to appear as a lion’s claw. Then Saxabar gave me the name of his special blade after I claimed to watch his show and asked about the strange blade he used.

Gravesen then helped me locate the jeweler that forged it, making this whole thing pointless because there’s a chance someone else has one too.

Could very easily be a sequential coincidence. I personally think the Manticore escaped or killed Maria in transit or something.

[DannyLJay]

The only thing I've learned since this is that Mrs Potter PROBABLY poisoned her husband with Amanita mushrooms on the trip to India and killed him, whether Hailey noticed or not idk but it shook her.
So MANY hours later and I know what I knew in the first 15 minutes and I've solved one of the murders that you're not even supposed to be solving.

I tried to get a response about the Lion Fang but everybody just thought I was talking about an actual fang.

[Dragonzfear]

I personally beleive mrs potter freed the manticore to kill maria, whether by accident or on purpose im not sure. i have no idea about the others though. Nikola seems to be the hardest

[Dragonzfear]

Originally posted by Hydraze:

When I asked Mrs Potter when Victor Potter died, she said 2 years ago on a trip to India.

However, if you ask Count Gravesen, Biagio and Michelle, they all said that Mr Potter was spotted recently (last few weeks) in the country club.

Can anyone check if this is the case?

Ingrid gave some inconsistent response. She said she been to India with Hailey Greenwood and in one instance where she said someone is following Hailey and gives her the creeps. Ingrid thinks that her death is related to that. Only one occasion where Ingrid talked about having a meal with a group of people and one person who was a vegetarian (presumably Victor Potter) that drank mushroom soup then died.

This makes me think that Mrs Potter and Hailey Greenwood must be related, perhaps Hailey Greenwood knows the truth behind Victor Potter's death (killed by Mrs Potter via mushroom poisoning) and Mrs Potter killed Hailey Greenwood with her stiletto to eliminate witnesses.

Anyone have similar thoughts or conclusion?

ive had the first part happen but not the soup part