DRM-free?

[deebic021]

Hello,

I noticed in an earlier request here that the devs don't want publish this game on GOG, which is a big shame (and is probably the reason I won't buy the game at this point; my experience with Steam has just been really bad recently as I am more opposed to the launcher than ever before, now that I'm accustomed to Itch.io and Humble, making even GOG look somewhat inconvenient, but tolerable in comparison to Steam).

Anyway, I am still interested in the game and may consider a purchase if it is DRM-free here, such that I can launch the game as a .exe without the Steam client installed. Does anyone know if that is the case? If I need Steam to run the game, I won't be bothering with this one, tbh.

Thank you in advanced.

Edit: Yes the game IS in fact DRM-free, here on Steam, despite what the earlier comments here have stated. I may or may not update the PCGaming article later for this.

[deebic021]

Originally posted by Kranst:

In most cases, the Steam application is required to run any game purchased through the store to verify ownership. The application itself is DRM.

You can use https://www.pcgamingwiki.com to check where games are available and if they include DRM, as well as additional information. GOG is a fantastic option.

For example, here is the Thronefall page:
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Thronefall

Out of curiosity, may I ask what about Steam you are opposed to? Hope this helps!

I appreciate the response, but frankly it was entirely unhelpful, because you still have not answered the question, but instead have given me a (rather inaccurate) generalization.

I'm not going to elaborate on why I can't stand Steam, because you're just going to patronize me about my reasons and claim that Steam is amazing no matter what I say (I've been through this enough times to know). But for starters, it is precisely BECAUSE it is, as you put it, fundamentally DRM, which I can't stand.

Yes, I am aware about the PCGamingwiki, and used to be rather active there; but, the site is extremely inaccurate and is not to be a tool to be relied on for this question (it even says so on their "list of DRM-free game" articles). It CAN say if something is DRM-free, but it is completely non-comprehensive. If a game is DRM-free, a user on the site has manually update the article to reflect this; otherwise, the article will default to claiming the game uses Steam DRM, even if that is not the case. It actually royally pisses me off.

In other words, if something on the PCGamingwiki says it has Steam DRM, it means it MAY OR MAY NOT actually use Steam DRM. If something says DRM-free, then it is indeed DRM-free. The ONLY way to know if a game is not actually DRM-free if it is tagged as having Steam DRM is to someway or another verify it yourself, which is the purpose of this post.

I have criticized the ♥♥♥♥ out of them for the way they handle Steam DRM because it is fundamentally operated on misinformation, such that they assume that everything on Steam has DRM unless otherwise stated. Thus, unless another user verifies that something is DRM-free, it will state that it uses Steam DRM, even if in reality it doesn't. I have pushed for using a question mark instead of the Steam logo if it is unverified or unknown, but they have no interest whatsoever in addressing this broken issue that makes this site feature fundamentally useless (hence why I am no longer active there).

I also grossly disagree with claiming that the majority of items on Steam uses its proprietary DRM because from my experience, that's simply untrue; I have found that for indie and smaller developers, it's the opposite and that it's only really the AAA publishers that lock the games behind Steam DRM. BUT, I don't know whether or not THIS GAME is locked behind Steam DRM, which is why I'm asking if someone can CONFIRM this for me!

This is the main reason WHY I'm so frustrated with Steam right now. Because I HATE having to do this PAINSTAKING background check for every game that DOESN'T explicitly say DRM-free on the PCGamingwiki.

Now can someone PLEASE give me a VERIFIED "yes" or "no" answer regarding whether THIS GAME, can be run without the Steam client being installed, not whether or not "in most cases" a game can??? Because I don't want generalizations based around misinformation as I have been given in which I am told to check the PCGamingwiki, which itself is fundamentally flawed, but rather a concrete, properly informed answer to the question.

Thank you.

[Samseng Yik]

No.
And please leave this game forum.

Oh that's not enough.
Please close you steam acc and leave steam

[deebic021]

Originally posted by Samseng Yik:

No.
And please leave this game forum.

Oh that's not enough.
Please close you steam acc and leave steam

Based on the unnecessary hostility of this response, I'm going to say you did not actually check this yourself, and you're just either giving me a lazy and uninformed response based on assumptions, or more likely just trying to get me to shut up and leave.

I'm not going to delete this Steam account because I have nearly $100 of games I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ paid for. There's no reason to be an unhelpful jerk, tbh. What an obnoxious response and asinine suggestion.

Now can someone actually provide a resourceful response and answer the damned question truthfully instead of patronizing me?

[Rubyeyed]

I closed Steam and ran the game from the exe in the game's folder. It ran without turning Steam back on. I guess it is the confirmation you needed?

In any case you can get a refund if you spend less than 2h playing, regardless of the reasons.

[deebic021]

Originally posted by Rubyeyed:

I closed Steam and ran the game from the exe in the game's folder. It ran without turning Steam back on. I guess it is the confirmation you needed?

In any case you can get a refund if you spend less than 2h playing, regardless of the reasons.

Thank you. Yes; this is all that is needed, typically. In some cases, there are more steps to take, but if this worked, then it should be fine without the client.

Anyway, I am returning to this post to confirm that, yes in fact, Thronefall IS DRM-free on Steam, such it CAN be run as an executable without the client running.

I got confirmation about this off of Steam from a verified game owner.

Once again, this is why, you can't generalize most Steam games as being locked into the Steam launcher, as commenter 1 stated, because it's simply untrue. And why commenter 2 is just a toxic jerk, as he was, in fact wrong, as I expected.

Glad to see the Steam forums are just as toxic and misinformed as they ever were. This is not helping my detest for this application and community.

I'll gladly take GOG any day, over this, thank you.

[Kranst]

Originally posted by deebic021:

Yes, I am aware about the PCGamingwiki, and used to be rather active there; but, the site is extremely inaccurate and is not to be a tool to be relied on for this question (it even says so on their "list of DRM-free game" articles). It CAN say if something is DRM-free, but it is completely non-comprehensive. If a game is DRM-free, a user on the site has manually update the article to reflect this; otherwise, the article will default to claiming the game uses Steam DRM, even if that is not the case. It actually royally pisses me off.

In other words, if something on the PCGamingwiki says it has Steam DRM, it means it MAY OR MAY NOT actually use Steam DRM. If something says DRM-free, then it is indeed DRM-free. The ONLY way to know if a game is not actually DRM-free if it is tagged as having Steam DRM is to someway or another verify it yourself, which is the purpose of this post.

I have criticized the ♥♥♥♥ out of them for the way they handle Steam DRM because it is fundamentally operated on misinformation, such that they assume that everything on Steam has DRM unless otherwise stated. Thus, unless another user verifies that something is DRM-free, it will state that it uses Steam DRM, even if in reality it doesn't. I have pushed for using a question mark instead of the Steam logo if it is unverified or unknown, but they have no interest whatsoever in addressing this broken issue that makes this site feature fundamentally useless (hence why I am no longer active there).

Thank you for the information regarding PCGamingWiki, I learned something new. I was unaware that the website is inaccurate in regards to automatically setting Steam in the DRM section. I will delete my post to remove the misinformation.

It would be nice if Steam incorporated a DRM-free section under the game information...

Originally posted by deebic021:

I'm not going to elaborate on why I can't stand Steam, because you're just going to patronize me about my reasons and claim that Steam is amazing no matter what I say (I've been through this enough times to know). But for starters, it is precisely BECAUSE it is, as you put it, fundamentally DRM, which I can't stand.

Also, apologies if I upset you by asking that. This was a genuine question with no intention of patronizing you. I use Steam alongside GOG and was curious about what you preferred.

[deebic021]

Originally posted by Kranst:

Originally posted by deebic021:

Yes, I am aware about the PCGamingwiki, and used to be rather active there; but, the site is extremely inaccurate and is not to be a tool to be relied on for this question (it even says so on their "list of DRM-free game" articles). It CAN say if something is DRM-free, but it is completely non-comprehensive. If a game is DRM-free, a user on the site has manually update the article to reflect this; otherwise, the article will default to claiming the game uses Steam DRM, even if that is not the case. It actually royally pisses me off.

In other words, if something on the PCGamingwiki says it has Steam DRM, it means it MAY OR MAY NOT actually use Steam DRM. If something says DRM-free, then it is indeed DRM-free. The ONLY way to know if a game is not actually DRM-free if it is tagged as having Steam DRM is to someway or another verify it yourself, which is the purpose of this post.

I have criticized the ♥♥♥♥ out of them for the way they handle Steam DRM because it is fundamentally operated on misinformation, such that they assume that everything on Steam has DRM unless otherwise stated. Thus, unless another user verifies that something is DRM-free, it will state that it uses Steam DRM, even if in reality it doesn't. I have pushed for using a question mark instead of the Steam logo if it is unverified or unknown, but they have no interest whatsoever in addressing this broken issue that makes this site feature fundamentally useless (hence why I am no longer active there).

Thank you for the information regarding PCGamingWiki, I learned something new. I was unaware that the website is inaccurate in regards to automatically setting Steam in the DRM section. I will delete my post to remove the misinformation.

It would be nice if Steam incorporated a DRM-free section under the game information...

Originally posted by deebic021:

I'm not going to elaborate on why I can't stand Steam, because you're just going to patronize me about my reasons and claim that Steam is amazing no matter what I say (I've been through this enough times to know). But for starters, it is precisely BECAUSE it is, as you put it, fundamentally DRM, which I can't stand.

Also, apologies if I upset you by asking that. This was a genuine question with no intention of patronizing you. I use Steam alongside GOG and was curious about what you preferred.

You're fine. I may have had a bit of an exaggerated response. I understand now you weren't trying to patronize me, but I've had this discussion numerous times with people who do, to the point the topic is very frustrating to navigate.

Thank you for trying to help, even if I misinterpreted your intentions.

Steam isn't going to add a "DRM-free section" or whatever beacuse they WANT people to have the Steam client installed to keep their users engaged; though that's a tactic that's ultimately pushing me AWAY from the site (as well as for many others). They secretly don't want people to even KNOW games can be DRM-free here, which is why so many people have this attitude that nothing is.

[Samseng Yik]

Never knew such thing is even possible in steam.
I thought this topic is just as rubbish as woke demon asking Gordon Freeman to have 69 genders or Sun Wukong to have different skin color gender race