New Update Stuck Timespy test !

[Solis]

What is this update ? complety trash timespy !

it say my cpu does not support SSE3 LOL .... never saw this before and my cpu is i9 9900K !

Totally crap

[opinali]

I made now a TimeSpy run with the Balanced power plan; also made sure to go to System > Power & battery > Energy recommendations and apply all suggested settings, in particular the power mode "Best power efficiency". Difference is minimal, before/after the change of power settings:
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/36500772/spy/36547882
Oddly there was also some monitoring failure, so the new results don't include some data such as clocks and temperatures. Results say "Hardware monitoring was disabled" but it's enabled in the 3DMark UI, I double-checked, also repeated the bench with same results.

Something really odd going on my system, and since I am a hardware enthusiast it can be many things :) I'm running Windows 11 on the Release Preview; I'm running the latest BIOS from Asus which is a beta. Would be too much effort for me to remove those factors for cleaner testing.

[UL_Jarnis]

Note that release preview channel Windows is not officially supported by us. We only test on it with a single system so any hardware-specific issues are not visible to us unless they occur with the "live" version of Windows.

In other news, AMD has apparently reproduced this internally and it is starting to look more and more like a driver issue, so at this time I can only offer "rollback to previous or ignore and wait for future driver fixes".

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opinali eredeti hozzászólása:

Different problem here: 3Dmark apparently works alright, but I have a massive drop in the TimeSpy scores (both regular and extreme) in a Ryzen 5900X + 7900 XTX. Example:

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/35755350/spy/36463560

Both tests with same general config, CPU is auto-overclocked by Ryzen Master but GPU is stock.

Important detail that I made this test after upgrading the Adrenalin driver to 23.3.1 released yesterday, so this could be a driver problem but I ran many other benchmarks, from 3DMark and others, also played some games, nothing else drops performance, only the TimeSpy which is a cataclysmic >50% loss.

Let me know if you need more help, I can make better apples-to-apples testing - the higher-scoring result above is from a few weeks ago and there are always Windows updates etc. not to mention that I recently installed an AIO, that';s why the CPU temperature is 11C lower in the new test and CPU clocks 50Hz higher - still even the CPU score is lower. But if this is a TimeSpy versus Adrenalin 23.3.1 bug, might be easy to repro.

The same thing just happened to my system with Intel 13900k and NVidia RTX 4090. After this latest update my time spy score was also cut in half while games play normally. I deleted all 3dmark files and reinstalled it and the same thing happened again so IDK.

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UL_Jarnis eredeti hozzászólása:

Note that release preview channel Windows is not officially supported by us. We only test on it with a single system so any hardware-specific issues are not visible to us unless they occur with the "live" version of Windows.

In other news, AMD has apparently reproduced this internally and it is starting to look more and more like a driver issue, so at this time I can only offer "rollback to previous or ignore and wait for future driver fixes".

Tried rolling back to an older driver and got the very same result so its not the drivers.

[CaptnDanLKW]

I was also chasing this issue down with my AMD system - 5900x/rx6800. I'm seeing massive drops - from 17k down to 12/13k.

It seems Time Spy ONLY (no others, Not even time spy extreme) has some weird clocking issues - GPU and VRAM clocks drop to varying lower levels throughout the scenes.

I also tried rolling back drivers (full reinstall, DDU, etc) to 23.2.2 and 23.2.1 with no change.

Checked / Changes Power settings (High Perf in control panel), vs. Balanced and the Power modes in the modern Settings app). No Changes.

Running Windows 11 on the Beta channel. Build 10.0.22624.1391. Those with this issue, you running this build?

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CaptnDanLKW eredeti hozzászólása:

I was also chasing this issue down with my AMD system - 5900x/rx6800. I'm seeing massive drops - from 17k down to 12/13k.

It seems Time Spy ONLY (no others, Not even time spy extreme) has some weird clocking issues - GPU and VRAM clocks drop to varying lower levels throughout the scenes.

I also tried rolling back drivers (full reinstall, DDU, etc) to 23.2.2 and 23.2.1 with no change.

Checked / Changes Power settings (High Perf in control panel), vs. Balanced and the Power modes in the modern Settings app). No Changes.

Running Windows 11 on the Beta channel. Build 10.0.22624.1391. Those with this issue, you running this build?

Yes I'm running that build on both my laptop and desktop. On my laptop, 5800h/rtx 3060 my score only dropped 400 points while its cut in half on my desktop.

[91㍿ 🇩🇷.🇾🇦🇳🇬]

It also happened to my 13900KS and RTX4090. I ran Time Spy multiple times and find that a Windows 11 patch KB5022913 (Windows 10.0.22621.1344 and later) causes lower GPU usage and lower GPU score. Here are my results.

affected Time Spy benchmark: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/36377966 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/36376592 Time Spy graphics only ~20000

Windows 11 (10.0.22624.1391): https://www.3dmark.com/spy/36383221
Time Spy graphics ~38000

Windows 11 (10.0.22621), removed KB5022913: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/36380978
Time Spy graphics ~38000

Windows 11 (10.0.22621.1265), before KB5022913 release (Feb 26 2023): https://www.3dmark.com/spy/36163896
Time Spy graphics 37610

I cannot stop Windows Update installing the patch, so I choose Beta channel of Windows Insider to avoid this issue.

[CaptnDanLKW]

Good feedback here..
The Windows Insider and build numbers have been less straight forward than in the past. Simply, but somewhat inaccurate, the last 4 digits of the build are the 'fixes' and the previous 5 digits are the 'feature'.

I believe the problem happened somewhere before the build version .1391. IIRC .1244 didn't have this issue. I don't believe the the 10.0.22621/22624 build makes a difference, but what comes after it,

Windows 11 version 10.0.22624.1391 is the latest beta with 'Moment 2' features enabled, 10.0.22621.1391 has the same 'fixes' minus 'Moment 2' features.

Dr. Yang, can you edit/update your info with the exact build?

Also, as the Dev said, we should use the Windows Insider Feedback tool to report this.

One final thought - Playing Crysis remastered and Far Cry 6 yesterday I *THINK* i'm seeing and feeling some frame pacing issues, it didn't feel as smooth as it should and has in the past. I could be biased now, knowing there something affecting Time Spy performance at the hardware level...

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CaptnDanLKW eredeti hozzászólása:

Good feedback here..
The Windows Insider and build numbers have been less straight forward than in the past. Simply, but somewhat inaccurate, the last 4 digits of the build are the 'fixes' and the previous 5 digits are the 'feature'.

I believe the problem happened somewhere before the build version .1391. IIRC .1244 didn't have this issue. I don't believe the the 10.0.22621/22624 build makes a difference, but what comes after it,

Windows 11 version 10.0.22624.1391 is the latest beta with 'Moment 2' features enabled, 10.0.22621.1391 has the same 'fixes' minus 'Moment 2' features.

Dr. Yang, can you edit/update your info with the exact build?

Also, as the Dev said, we should use the Windows Insider Feedback tool to report this.

One final thought - Playing Crysis remastered and Far Cry 6 yesterday I *THINK* i'm seeing and feeling some frame pacing issues, it didn't feel as smooth as it should and has in the past. I could be biased now, knowing there something affecting Time Spy performance at the hardware level...

Tried to add exact build number based on Windows Update history. The only problematic build was 10.0.22621.1344 (FEB 28 2023). I experienced random frame drop when playing PUBG.

The issue was sent to Windows Insider feedback. I think currently there is no need for 3DMark to make any update on this issue.

[Spartanz1080]

I’m having a similar issue on z690 13900k 4090 win 11 22h2 timespy down from 32k to 15k gpu score. Extreme is also affected. Port royal and speedway score fine games are not affected. Timespy gpu utilization less than 50 percent

[CaptnDanLKW]

VERY ODD. My build is still on 10.0.22624.1391, there have been no Windows Updates and no updates to 3DMark, but my TimeSpy score has mysteriously returned to normal. The GPU Utilization has also returned to 100% during the run, hence the correct score.

The only 'Changes' I can think of are - Microsoft Store updates - one of them is the XBOX Game Bar app. The other update i performed was a 'Start 11' update from 1.38 to 1.41.

[Clothes Pin]

My windows updated to 22624.1465 and my nvidia driver updated to 531.29 and now my Time Spy score is back to normal.

[opinali]

Good news here, I tested again today and my normal scores are back. I ran the test because of he Adrenalin 23.3.2 update, and only after installing and testing, checked this thread where I see folks reported the same problem for NVidia GPUs with Windows Insider builds apparently the culprit. My own Win11 is also updated to the latest patches today (preview channel) so I guess that's what fixed it, not the Adrenalin update.

[Spartanz1080]

My scores are bad again after today’s new Nvidia driver

[UL_Jarnis]

Sorry, all I can say is that something is off with the system and the lower performance seen by the test is real indication that something is wrong in OS or driver level. If using beta/insider preview Windows, definitely report to Microsoft via the internal tools.