Do I also have to buy the F14 Tomcat if I want to be my friend's RIO?

[byRudi]

My friend wants to buy the F14 Tomcat and I want to be his RIO. Now my question is whether I also have to buy the F14 to be RIO or whether only he has to own it?

[Jel]

I'm not discussing the editor nor ground units or whatever by which indeed arma may have many things ahead.
We are talking about planes, so i stand by what i told you :)

[Jel]

This post is about the F14, not about tanks, not about the editor. I´m not narrow minded, i just stick with the topic OP brought up :)

[Jel]

Don´t get me wrong, of course we can start a discussion about what ARMA does better than DCS and vv. But that´s just not the point here. Post is about whether a module has to be purchased or not in order to use it. And i think we´ve made quite clear why that is and why comparing games like ARMA here doesn´t make a valuable argument regarding the level of detail on each module, don´t you think ?

[SSerponi76]

Karmaterrorᵁᴷ님이 먼저 게시:

Sigh, thats the definition of narrow minded lol

Cant look at other aspects and draw parallels, has to be a 1:1 comparison

Well, he might be "narrow minded" but he asked about a specific topic and you are replying with a different one.

[SSerponi76]

Karmaterrorᵁᴷ님이 먼저 게시:

Err i think you guys need to jump back to page one, where Jel begins this conversation arc by not answering the OP's question, but changing to topic to "why would you want that" :)

Nice try on gas lighting me though... i give it 8/10

Switching-table skill: over 9k.
I give up.
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[ShaZe]

It kind of sound nice. I would assume that most people buying the module prefer the piloting seat... if nobody enjoy gunner seats, why not make them free to use. I understand not willing to provide a copilot seat that actually has to use part of the cockpit but I wouldn't consider anything related to sightseeing or straight gunning (similar to combined arms tanks) to be something worth paying for.

Kind of a win win really, Im unsure what people are complaining about, its not like the gunner or back seat can really do much. Worst case they will eventually want to buy it, best case it help populating the servers/help filling some roles.

I don't even go on the multiplayer server and kind of see the potential here lol

Edit : To be fair, I can understand that even a back seat wouldn't be possible since the assets for that aircraft wouldn't be installed. So yeah, either very low quality assets available for everybody or very generic combined arm type of shooting.

[Troll Norris]

@Shaze backseat in Tomcat is not like that. The RIO have probably higher workload than pilot. Pilot operates stick and throttle. RIO operates everything else.
https://youtu.be/7IqdzG6T3LQ

[spike2071]

ShaZe님이 먼저 게시:

It kind of sound nice. I would assume that most people buying the module prefer the piloting seat... if nobody enjoy gunner seats, why not make them free to use. I understand not willing to provide a copilot seat that actually has to use part of the cockpit but I wouldn't consider anything related to sightseeing or straight gunning (similar to combined arms tanks) to be something worth paying for.

Kind of a win win really, Im unsure what people are complaining about, its not like the gunner or back seat can really do much. Worst case they will eventually want to buy it, best case it help populating the servers/help filling some roles.

I don't even go on the multiplayer server and kind of see the potential here lol

Edit : To be fair, I can understand that even a back seat wouldn't be possible since the assets for that aircraft wouldn't be installed. So yeah, either very low quality assets available for everybody or very generic combined arm type of shooting.

Based on what I've seen online, most people don't want some random person hopping in the RIO seat. As Troll Norris said, the RIO does everything but the flying. A bad RIO will make air to air combat frustrating and unwinnable.

And everyone can fly in the backseat in any plane or helicopter to get a taste. Everyone can sit anywhere in any module for two weeks per module if you take advantage of the trial system on the Standalone version.

[d0x360]

Wow.... The pure elitism in this thread is off the charts garbage.

This is what it sounds like.. "I have more money than you so meh. Only my opinion matters. You get 2 free planes! 2 weeks! Spend $40+ then some more a bunch development!"

This is not the way to get someone into a community but it's everywhere. I've been watching videos recently thinking maybe I'll start playing again but coming from the sim racing community to this single game is night & day different in terms of attitude.

One is positive, welcoming, and helpful then the other is elitism nonsense.

The development on the simulation engine is the hard part. Buying 1 plane is paying for that, buying a 2nd is paying for continued development but the prices are outrageous and this is coming from someone that buys a new top end GPU every year and upgrades my living room TV every other. So if I think it's insane it probably is.

Poor guy just wants to cruise with his friend and keep him company and his only option is to spectate but not actually spectate?

Wow... Amazing fun.

Then bashing the physics of a different game that was just used as an example... Why? Yeah we got it, DCS devs have more money than the Arma devs. Who would have thought!?

Arms should start charging $25 for a gun. You want that scar? $30.

A subscription fee would be a better way to fund this game. You get all the planes. They are 3d models with numbers attached that tell the engine what to do. Planes arent that difficult to simulate in the grand scheme of things.

How would I know I only do (sorry can't say) for a job.

It's a great sim, no doubt about it. The devs have done a ton of hard work, I know that. I've seen the game grow from the start.

I can't wait to see this campaign.. but if you don't own all the planes then every mission is the 2 free ones vs the... 2 free ones.

Lighten up people. Take the ego's down a notch. Guess I'll check back in 5 years when DCS 2 is launching and you gotta buy all the content again. They had no choice! It has to be done in the name of numbers and boom splash. Why don't I see any f14's in a flat spin killing the guy in back when they eject?

I'm gonna go buy an A-10 and take out some F-22's using math and an Xbox controller out of spite. So if you find yourself exploding and you're in an F-22 or 35 and it was a Warthog... Gift that dude some planes.

Hell ill gift him the plane then you can gift him something else.

[d0x360]

AwesomeCola1님이 먼저 게시:

My friend wants to buy the F14 Tomcat and I want to be his RIO. Now my question is whether I also have to buy the F14 to be RIO or whether only he has to own it?

Bro... I got you

[Troll Norris]

One not mentioned note: you will get F-14A and F-14B

[spike2071]

d0x360님이 먼저 게시:

Wow.... The pure elitism in this thread is off the charts garbage.

This is what it sounds like.. "I have more money than you so meh. Only my opinion matters. You get 2 free planes! 2 weeks! Spend $40+ then some more a bunch development!"

This is one of the funniest posts I've read in a long time. Thank you for that. No one is bragging about how much money they have except you:

d0x360님이 먼저 게시:

Buying 1 plane is paying for that, buying a 2nd is paying for continued development but the prices are outrageous and this is coming from someone that buys a new top end GPU every year and upgrades my living room TV every other. So if I think it's insane it probably is.

You logic here is literally that because you spend so much money...everyone else is wrong.

Most people pointed out that you can test out any module for free for 2 weeks. If they wanted to try it out, then there is a built-in method to do so. Others pointed out that there are free mods that will allow the person to ride in the backseat for as long as they want. And yes, if you wanted to fly as a backseat RIO forever (after trying all the other free options the game gives you), you will have to purchase a module that exists in a free market where people are free to choose if $X is worth Y experience.

The horror! The horror!

d0x360님이 먼저 게시:

A subscription fee would be a better way to fund this game. You get all the planes. They are 3d models with numbers attached that tell the engine what to do. Planes arent that difficult to simulate in the grand scheme of things.

How would I know I only do (sorry can't say) for a job.

Wow! I also have a job. And I can imply that my mythical job makes me right! I would love to play your game that gives you insight into the development, marketing, and continuing support of a niche sim.

Super secret jobs aside, I would disagree. Based on how long it takes to release a new module (and the subsequent patching of bugs, issues, adding new features, etc. until it moves out of early access), it would seem that it's not easy. The issues might be on their end, but you cannot deny that it's relatively difficult to create a DCS module when it takes 5+ years to do so.

Granted, I don't spend the kind of money you do, so my opinion isn't worth as much, but I don't think they're taking years to develop it just for fun. On the contrary, a subscription plan would make it easier for them to draw out the development process because there is no rush to develop a new module for an influx of cash.

d0x360님이 먼저 게시:

It's a great sim, no doubt about it. The devs have done a ton of hard work, I know that. I've seen the game grow from the start.

I can't wait to see this campaign.. but if you don't own all the planes then every mission is the 2 free ones vs the... 2 free ones.

Are you sure you've played the game? You can fly against any plane or helicopter. With the exception of the WWII assets, you can create and fly any missions with any modules regardless of ownership, but you can only fly the ones you own. I can add the Apache to a mission and shoot it despite my lack of ownership. Same with the MiG-19, Mirage F1, Viper, Jeff, etc. If I want to fly against another person, then yes, they have to own the plane they're flying. But that's...normal? I can fly the free Su-25T and shoot down the Apache all day long.

d0x360님이 먼저 게시:

Lighten up people. Take the ego's down a notch. Guess I'll check back in 5 years when DCS 2 is launching and you gotta buy all the content again. They had no choice! It has to be done in the name of numbers and boom splash. Why don't I see any f14's in a flat spin killing the guy in back when they eject?

I'm gonna go buy an A-10 and take out some F-22's using math and an Xbox controller out of spite. So if you find yourself exploding and you're in an F-22 or 35 and it was a Warthog... Gift that dude some planes.

Hell ill gift him the plane then you can gift him something else.

This is my favorite part. :)

You assert that people need to bring down the egos, then claim that you're skilled enough to fly the A-10 and kill the people who are flying the F22 and F35 (which are planes you can't buy on DCS). Then, just to make sure we know how awesome you are, you tell everyone you're going to gift him the game. Finally, you create a separate post in case anyone didn't read your previous post to highlight the fact you gifted him the game so we can stand in awe of your largesse and beneficence. Take the egos down a notch, indeed.

And telling people to lighten up while then saying you're going to shoot them down out of spite lacks a certain amount of self-awareness.

Thanks for the good read. It did lighten up my mood quite a bit.

[Richardus]

d0x360님이 먼저 게시:

This is what it sounds like.. "I have more money than you so meh. Only my opinion matters. You get 2 free planes! 2 weeks! Spend $40+ then some more a bunch development!"

Nobody here us bragging about having more/less money. People here disagree with what you're saying because the notion that devs want money for the stuff they make isn't a foreign concept to us, nor do we blame them for asking "high" prices for products that require significant time and effort to develop.

d0x360님이 먼저 게시:

The development on the simulation engine is the hard part. Buying 1 plane is paying for that, buying a 2nd is paying for continued development but the prices are outrageous and this is coming from someone that buys a new top end GPU every year and upgrades my living room TV every other. So if I think it's insane it probably is.

So you accuse the people here about money and then brag about how much money you spend on computer parts and new TV's? Talk about irony. Could you go to the Ferrafi forums for me and tell them their products should be cheaper as well so I can afford one? Thanks!

d0x360님이 먼저 게시:

Poor guy just wants to cruise with his friend and keep him company and his only option is to spectate but not actually spectate?

Download the T-45 mod. It is ***free***, yes you heard that right, **FREE**. It requires no other modules, has a clickable cockpit, and it lets your friend plonk in the back to keep you company. The SK-60 is an upcoming community mod that will most likely have multicrew as well.

d0x360님이 먼저 게시:

Then bashing the physics of a different game that was just used as an example... Why? Yeah we got it, DCS devs have more money than the Arma devs. Who would have thought!?

DCS is on another level than the other games in terms of realism, which means it costs a lot more time and money to create and complete a module. There is no one who is saying that one company is richer than the other, one company has to spend a lot more (and therefore asks higher prices) than the other.

d0x360님이 먼저 게시:

You get all the planes. They are 3d models with numbers attached that tell the engine what to do. Planes arent that difficult to simulate in the grand scheme of things.

And just like that you've said that you don't understand what DCS module development entails. Show me one simulator other than Falcon 4/BMS that simulates F-16 radar operations/modes/control, engine management, ECM, weapons employment, flight modelling, fully functional cockpit, system interaction and the whole shebang.
DCS and BMS are the only ones at this level BECAUSE it is so difficult and requires so much knowledge and effort to do this, which leads to "high prices" as a result.

d0x360님이 먼저 게시:

Guess I'll check back in 5 years when DCS 2 is launching and you gotta buy all the content again. They had no choice! It has to be done in the name of numbers and boom splash.

You're trying to strawman DCS' greatest features into a downside. The simulator has been backwards compatible since pretty much the beginning. Every module bought (with the exception of the Hawk) still works and is still supported. The core game has had updates, improvements, and overhauls and it's still free. Unlike FSX where bought add-ons don't carry over to the new game DCS' service record in this regard has been really good.
So, no, your argument about "DCS 2" (We are already at 2.7 by the way) makes literally 0 sense.

d0x360님이 먼저 게시:

I'm gonna go buy an A-10 and take out some F-22's using math and an Xbox controller out of spite. So if you find yourself exploding and you're in an F-22 or 35 and it was a Warthog... Gift that dude some planes.

Wow, you are so cool. Especially since the F-22 and F-35 aren't even in DCS. Good luck shooting down imaginary planes dude!

[Aconius]

Jel님이 먼저 게시:

Quick, let´s all put on our thinking caps:
You want to use a module in DCS = You will have to have it installed, therefore own it.
Easy isn´t it ?

Why would you want to be free just to sit on the backseat ? Sightseeing while not being able to do anything ?

Yes, however the RIO doesn't sit and do anything, in fact if you are flying with a friend they might relinquish weapons controls to you so you feel more engaged. RIO does alot, sure it may not be as thrilling as just being a pilot but it is still an important job.