A-10A vs A-10C

[White Rabbit]

I already have A-10C (purchased before DCS World). What does A-10A add? Is it a completely new game or an expansion for A-10C?

[fearlessfrog]

The two main differences are:

- A10A DCS Flaming Cliffs is a 'Flaming Cliffs' level of sim, i.e. less complex to play and not a clickable cockpit etc.

- The A and the C are different models of the real-life Fairchild Republic A-10. The C was a major upgrade in terms of Precision Engagement (targeting pod etc). DCS A10C was actually used as a cockpit familiarization trainer by the Air National Guard as part of the A to C transition. In general the A in real-life is simpler than the C model.

[Chameleon_Silk]

to answer your question a bit more, I would imaginbe that the A-10A would come with a campaign premade to be played like the SU-25 Flaming Cliffs DLC adds, the A-10A is a model that dosen't have nearly as sophisticated avionics as the A-10C, what fearlessfrog is saying is true but not really what you asked about. Also i wish people would stop saying its flaming cliff level for complexity from what i can tell everything is still advanced flight model its just you don't have to go through 50 steps and 3 minutes to power up to take off when ramp starting, beyond that the aircraft seem to be pretty modelled to me.

[White Rabbit]

Ok, I've done some research on the official DCS site, and it seems A-10A is a plane from Flaming Cliffs 3. They've simply taken the plane from FC3 and added it to DCS World.

[Troll Norris]

Right. because ther are some legal problems with UBIsoft i guess so that is the reason why FC3 can not be sold on steam.

[kazereal]

Publicado originalmente por White Rabbit:

Ok, I've done some research on the official DCS site, and it seems A-10A is a plane from Flaming Cliffs 3. They've simply taken the plane from FC3 and added it to DCS World.

Actually, they've updated the flight model also to DCS AFM since that module now has to work without the flight modle in "Lock On" (for which it was expansion for).

Same should apply to all other "Flaming Cliffs" modules coming to Steam: limited but upgraded in some ways comparing to old version.


Or so I've gathered from the various descriptions..

[Schnittertm]

Publicado originalmente por kazereal:

Publicado originalmente por White Rabbit:

Ok, I've done some research on the official DCS site, and it seems A-10A is a plane from Flaming Cliffs 3. They've simply taken the plane from FC3 and added it to DCS World.

Actually, they've updated the flight model also to DCS AFM since that module now has to work without the flight modle in "Lock On" (for which it was expansion for).

Same should apply to all other "Flaming Cliffs" modules coming to Steam: limited but upgraded in some ways comparing to old version.


Or so I've gathered from the various descriptions..

Basically, what you'll get with the extracted modules from Flaming Cliffs 3, is an Advanced Flight Model (AFM) at DCS A-10C, Ka-50, P-51D level, a 6DOF-cockpit with upgraded models and graphics, an upgraded exterior model, but still the lower fidelity avionics from Flaming Cliffs asnd the pit is not clickable.

[Sn0w_Lynx]

A-10A you get mk-20's thats pretty much it. Its just meant for those that dont want flaming cliffs but just want one or two aircraft out of the mix. Better use of money is to just get FC3 so you have a-10a, su-25a, su27, su33, mig-29/s/g, f-15

[Big Ram]

Publicado originalmente por =LFC=Chameleon_Silk:

Also i wish people would stop saying its flaming cliff level for complexity from what i can tell everything is still advanced flight model its just you don't have to go through 50 steps and 3 minutes to power up to take off when ramp starting, beyond that the aircraft seem to be pretty modelled to me.

Well, this is actually a fairly important note to make for potential buyers. Standard DCS modules have a fully interactive cockpit and procedures, while the Flaming Cliffs aircraft are relatively simplified in this regard. If someone is looking for one, but gets the other, they're going to be sorely disappointed.

[Tatsue]

Bastins, this is described explicitly in the "DLC" description pages.

[Chameleon_Silk]

yea my point is that just because you have a hotkey that throws a switch without clicking a level in the pit doesn't mean its simple mode, yea its not full clicky and that should definetly be clarified for potential buyers but time and time again i hear the excuse that so and so aircraft/helicopter is simple arcade mode, which is not the truth at all... the planes are AFM and their systems are modelled to extensive detail regardless of which plane your flying the difference is mainly the full clicky thing, but people are getting it twisted thinking that its "easy mode" which is not true. I love full clicky but to think something is simple mode because you press shift+f to change flap setting instead of a lever in the cockpit is misleading the complete opposite way.

[Big Ram]

Publicado originalmente por Tatsue:

Bastins, this is described explicitly in the "DLC" description pages.

True, but that shouldn't mean that it shouldn't be emphasized again when explaining the difference between a Flaming Cliffs aircraft and a standard DCS aircraft.

[Compizfox]

How are the 'difficulties' of A-10A and A-10C compared to the SU-25T from the demo? I'm playing the demo right now and I like that specific level of realism. I'm interested in the A-10, so should I get the A-10A or the A-10C DLC? Is the A-10C much more difficult or is it comparable to the SU-25T in terms of complexity?

[fearlessfrog]

The SU-25T is like a DCS Flaming Cliffs level of fidelity module, so if you enjoy that then the DCS Flaming Cliffs A10A is probably the best bet. The A10C has a lot of depth in terms of systems that are modeled etc so if you aren't into that then it might be a bit much. The C is probably the most complex module DCS do, which some really like.

[Compizfox]

Hmm, OK, thx for your reply.

But don't I miss anything if I get the Flaming Cliffs A-10A? A few posts back it was mentioned that the Flaming Cliffs A-10A has lower fidelity avionics. What does that mean, exactly? If the Flaming Cliffs A-10A is simpler, but just outdated, I'd rather get the A-10C and learn to fly the more complex model.

[kazereal]

Publicado originalmente por NL GoT Compizfox:

Hmm, OK, thx for your reply.

But don't I miss anything if I get the Flaming Cliffs A-10A? A few posts back it was mentioned that the Flaming Cliffs A-10A has lower fidelity avionics. What does that mean, exactly? If the Flaming Cliffs A-10A is simpler, but just outdated, I'd rather get the A-10C and learn to fly the more complex model.

It is much simpler to start with the Flaming Cliffs A-10A than with A-10C module. If you are willing and prepared to learn then A-10C is the best choice: you will need to spend lot's more time learning avionics and weapons systems when learning A-10C.