A mod to make the game easier for starters

[Knock0]

I know this game is a sim i get it and that is what i like about it........BUTTTT the game is a sim to a fault in my opinion......

I enjoy playing IL2, for the reason of it being somewhat of a sim and probably because ww2 technololgy wasnt as complex as fighters of today, meaning there isnt a 10 step process to drop a bomb.....Il2 can also be complex but there is options in the game to avoid the complex startups while still having a simulation feeling of flying a plane and shooting off weapons..

So im curious if there is a mod or anything in DCS that will allow the computer to do most things for you and you just have to press key number 1 to get your guns on, key number 2 to activate your bombs, etc , etc, etc......kind of like a crutch for new players till they get the hang of the game and slowy revert options to simulation.....

I feel DCS would have a broader player base if such options were availiable, lots of people were into MS Flight simulator for its ability to feel like a simulation but with having the options to dumb down startup procedures and such to give players a sim feeling without the complex controls a computerized cockpit would have to offer if you played in simulation mode and the same was for il2 unless you were in MP with servers that set the options....

[=AiR FORCE=]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lone Wolfe:

I just got the free version. no support for m throttle slider on Logitech Extreme 3D pro. Is there a way to get arcade like controls like wings of prey so I don't spin out of control and plough into the ground?

DCS does support the Logitech 3D Pro and the throttle works on it, not by default, but as with any controller, need to assign axis and buttons and configure it.
If you want arcade, there's plenty of other choices.
DCS is all about realism and challenge.
It's more work than play at first.

[kazereal]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lone Wolfe:

I just got the free version. no support for m throttle slider on Logitech Extreme 3D pro. Is there a way to get arcade like controls like wings of prey so I don't spin out of control and plough into the ground?

Diposting pertama kali oleh =AiR FoRCe=:

DCS is all about realism and challenge.
It's more work than play at first.

Learning new stuff IS the fun thing about realistic sims.
Making it "easier" entirely defeats the purpose of having a realistic simulator in the first place.

Then again, having a mind of an engineer might affect my views.. ;P

Edit: so instead of "dumbing down" simulator better learning material and tutorials perhaps?
It's not supposed to be a casual "pick up and shoot" kind of game in my opinion..

[Lone Wolfe (Hoover1979)]

I do wish to learn the realism side of things, but I prefer like Wings of prey where I start of as arcade mode as up the realism slowly as I ge the hang of it rather then crash the moment I bank left or right right from the get go and tear my hair out in frustrtion. one step at a time. a am a total newbie to flight games and need to get my way there slowly.

[=AiR FORCE=]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lone Wolfe:

..start of as arcade mode as up the realism slowly as I ge the hang of it rather then crash the moment I bank left or right right from the get go and tear my hair out in frustrtion..

Set a Dead Zone of at least 5 and a curve of 20+ for all 3 Axis, including the rudder.
That joystick may be giving you issues with precision at the center.
You should be able to "feel" the aircraft and keep it stable without it acting abnormally.

[Lone Wolfe (Hoover1979)]

I tried that and still cant fly for **** I am simply uninstalling it. Too difficult for me :(

[kazereal]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lone Wolfe:

I tried that and still cant fly for **** I am simply uninstalling it. Too difficult for me :(

Depending on what you are trying to fly and your experience can take anything from few hours to tens of hours.

WW2 propeller planes are much harder due to left turning tendency and you should really have proper rudder pedals to enjoy them fully.

Jet planes like the Su-25 can be easier to start with but you must remember to have enough speed at all times and not to do too violent changes in direction, especially if you have lots of fuel, payload and so on.

This is worth checking out to understand why WW2 warbirds behave the way they do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGWbjGqmoWo

This stuff isn't modeled in less realistic "simcades" or pure games so that does take it's time to learn when coming to DCS. Also ground effect can be a surprise early.

[Hadji]

Don't forget that there is a Easy/Game mode available in DCS...

[Chameleon_Silk]

Fly with people who have been flying for awhile, most of us have had information passed down the line... we didn't invent flying, learn from those who have already learned.

honestly though if you have no patience to learn then that is probably gonna be the biggest hurdle to you ever learning how to fly in the sim... if you didn't want to race formula 1 then you shouldn't have gotten into the F1 car, if thats whats you want then theres always mario kart (ace combat)

[Knock0]

You should learn with the SU frogfoot plane in the DCS world edition, It's easy to fly....

.most importantly though, for me anyways, thus why i started this thread...the version came with help keys that you can read through via the knee board..it showed me what buttons to press to activate what weapon i wanted, radar, counter measures etc etc etc, which is all i ever wanted, as DCS hardest sim part of the game is trying to get a weapon to shoot off or a mav to lock onto a tank.......

All the base model planes that came with DCS flaming cliffs etc are dumbed down versions of a true simulator, they are great to step into to learn the basics, great to use to get the hang of the planes computers before jumping into the more complicated computers of standalone A-10 versions per say, the turtorials they come with are garbage, but if you get the basics on the less the true simulated planes in flaming cliffs youll be able to transfer that knowledge to cut down learning time on true simulations

Def take the time out to learn that Su though it will help you get the basics of jet flight, most importantly it comes with a cheat s heet for key buttons

[Chameleon_Silk]

DCS world isn't trying to cater to people who want an arcade experience, they offer a game mode which is quite a surprise they would even have such a thing in it and I believe most us feel like that is not he best way to play it.

DCS world playing like Ace combat is Ace combat trying to be DCS world, neither are targetting that fanbase.... there are other arcade like flight games if thats what you want.

[cmeatsammy]

If you want simplicity and like helicopters...........get DCS Huey. You can map all necessary flight and weapons functions to your joystick and go blow stuff up in no time. It has rockets..........and guns. The Huey is simple but it does require constant attention. When you get tired of the simplicity and want more buttons to play with, start another module. BTW, there is a cheat option for an Auto Startup Procedure if you don't want to go through the process.

[Hadji]

Easy relative to what? In order to properly control the Huey you need rudder pedals and flight dynamics for any helo are anything but easy. Flying helos in Arma or Take on helicopters is easy but I don't find that to be the case in DCS.

[Frostregen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Chameleon_Silk:

if you didn't want to race formula 1 then you shouldn't have gotten into the F1 car, if thats whats you want then theres always mario kart (ace combat)

Even Mariokart (SNES) had lot of stuff to learn. I am still getting another 0.01 seconds faster lap times after years of practice ;)

(Sorry, could not resist. Back then even arcade games had some kind of "hard to master" aspect, which is totally missing in most games today)

[kazereal]

Diposting pertama kali oleh n3vyn:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Knock0:

I know this game is a sim i get it and that is what i like about it........BUTTTT the game is a sim to a fault in my opinion......

If it was any different I would have lost interest ages ago, I like that its so difficult and accurate, they change that and make it easier, well then I am going to take up horse riding instead.

Exactly. If something was fake to make it easier it would not be that interesting any more.

[kazereal]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Frostregen:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Chameleon_Silk:

if you didn't want to race formula 1 then you shouldn't have gotten into the F1 car, if thats whats you want then theres always mario kart (ace combat)

Even Mariokart (SNES) had lot of stuff to learn. I am still getting another 0.01 seconds faster lap times after years of practice ;)

(Sorry, could not resist. Back then even arcade games had some kind of "hard to master" aspect, which is totally missing in most games today)

Tried some Commodore shoot'em up classics on the weekend that I used to play, could not get past first few screens now.. :/

Also "Nintendo-hard" was something else entirely in the 8-bit era..