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B7™ Aug 5, 2013 @ 6:27pm
Flight Stick
Hello
I just realise i love Flying simulation and i'm pretty sure i would buy simulation like X-Plane or other ones IF I found a Flying Gear

I heard theres Sticks and throttle stick combo. If you have a good gear to recommend it would be greatly appreciated. Price is not that important

Thanks
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Tatsue Aug 5, 2013 @ 6:32pm 
Hi,

Such a combination is generally called a "HOTAS", short for "Hands On Throttle And Stick". This is meant to indicate that the pilot typically does not have to remove their hands from their controls to operate other functions in the aircraft.

One of the most popular HOTAS are Saitek's "x52". It is relatively cheap, and comes in two versions - the main difference between them being the quality of the components. I used the cheaper, non-"pro", version until I upgraded to my next suggestion:

Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog. This is a metal, HALL-sensor, HOTAS that is a faithful replica of the real A-10C controls, including not only stick and throttle but also the LASTE and engine panel. This costs a lot more, but if you are passionate about simulation there is, in my opinion, nothing better. Very solid equipment - literally; deflecting my stick and letting it go is enough to send my desk rocking. Do note though that we are making a very big jump in price here - you are looking at around 400 to 500 Euro. Saitek X52 standard is around 100 Euro. X52 Pro is between 150 and 200 Euro.
FatalityWolf Aug 5, 2013 @ 6:47pm 
am planning on getting my joystick soon and because it my first one am not spending alot on it around £40 and that can get me Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X and from what i understand its quite good to start off with.
startrekmike Aug 5, 2013 @ 7:38pm 
The X-52 is a great solution for most flight sim fans who can't just throw $400 or more at a HOTAS (I would rather spend that much on guitars, those prices actually make sense).

At this point, I would say that the Saitek X-45 or the Saitek X-52 are really your best bet, the TM T-Flight HOTAS-X is a bad choice because you are essentially just getting a normal joystick with a larger throttle handle but none of the extra switches and buttons that actually make a HOTAS useful in DCS.

If you like to light your cigars with hundred dollar bills, get a TM Warthog, if money is tighter, you cannot go wrong with a Saitek X-52.

On a side note, google "Freetrack" and save a bundle on IR head tracking.
FatalityWolf Aug 5, 2013 @ 8:04pm 
people surgest a cheap joystick but then go onto say a 100+ joystick but if you limited in cash and can only really send 40 on a joystick shouldent Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X work fine?
Raptor Aug 5, 2013 @ 8:20pm 
Why not go for the Mad Catz Fly 5 instead for an extra 18 dollars (58.91 USD on Amazon)? It has a similar amount of buttons, but you also get a split throttle - so you can control both your engines. Saves the amount of space, you get roughly the same amount of buttons, and you have more control of the aircraft.

Only go for a proper HOTAS style equipment if there's a good number of buttons/hats on it. Otherwise, its just a complete waste of tablespace. I own an X-52, and I feel like there aren't enough hats for DCS A-10C.

I'm looking at a picture of the T-Flight right now, and I have to say you're going to have a hard time mapping out the controls for that. You need at least 2 or 3 hats for a DCS level aircraft.
Last edited by Raptor; Aug 5, 2013 @ 8:24pm
FatalityWolf Aug 5, 2013 @ 8:39pm 
unlike the op am limited in price range while i can aford the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X because it dosent even reach £40 to get a new one on amazon but for a fly 5 thats over £50 and thats into the price range i cant aford.

but am looking more at flying the SU-25T since am more intrested in a aircraft i can playwith atm and from when i played with my ps3 controller it was simple enough to fly. and am not overly intrested in flying the a-10 because my intrest is in russian and british aircraft mainly and i do like ww2 german and japanese aswell as ww2 britian and russian.

so if am just sticking to the SU-25T currently in DCS terms would a hotas x work for that? if i make up what am missing with keybinds on my keybored.
Big Ram Aug 5, 2013 @ 8:50pm 
The stick you'll surely see recommended the most is the Saitek X52; it's a very popular stick. I just upgraded to one myself, and I love it. And thanks to the pinkie trigger and mode dial, you should be able to assign any command you need to your stick and throttles.

Plus, I'll second startrekmike's suggestion to look into head tracking if you're serious about flight simulation. Personally, I have TrackIR 5, and it has significantly changed the flight simming expeience. And it works elsewhere too, so if you're into racing/driving games, you can use it there too. Even the Arma series supports TrackIR. I hear there are cheaper/free alternatives to TrackIR, so you may want to do a little research first.
Tatsue Aug 5, 2013 @ 8:50pm 
Originally posted by FatalityWolf:
so if am just sticking to the SU-25T currently in DCS terms would a hotas x work for that? if i make up what am missing with keybinds on my keybored.

Yup, that should work very well.

Indeed, if you take a look at this: http://media.aerosociety.com/aerospace-insight/files/2011/02/A-10C-DTS.jpg

...you'll see that that is what the "real guys" use when using the military version to study. :)
FatalityWolf Aug 5, 2013 @ 8:54pm 
Originally posted by Tatsue:
Originally posted by FatalityWolf:
so if am just sticking to the SU-25T currently in DCS terms would a hotas x work for that? if i make up what am missing with keybinds on my keybored.

Yup, that should work very well.

Indeed, if you take a look at this: http://media.aerosociety.com/aerospace-insight/files/2011/02/A-10C-DTS.jpg

...you'll see that that is what the "real guys" use when using the military version to study. :)

thank you you answered my question with quite a cool image and if they can use it to fly the a-10 i might eventually aswell.

start small and work up is my way of looking at things.
Big Ram Aug 5, 2013 @ 8:56pm 
Originally posted by Raptor13270:
I own an X-52, and I feel like there aren't enough hats for DCS A-10C.

Have you used the mode dial or pinkie switch? Between the two, you should essentially have six HAT switches, which is a lot for any joystick.
Tatsue Aug 5, 2013 @ 9:16pm 
Bastins, add to this that DCS allows you to assign ANY button you want, keyboard or on stick, as a modifier, and you'll get even more. For example, you could designate a regular button to be a specific "modifier", and suddenly you've doubled what you can have on the stick, pretty much.

If you want even more, assign another button somewhere as another "modifier". And at this point, remember that two modifiers together means a third. The mind boggles in the end. :P
Raptor Aug 5, 2013 @ 10:40pm 
Originally posted by FatalityWolf:
so if am just sticking to the SU-25T currently in DCS terms would a hotas x work for that? if i make up what am missing with keybinds on my keybored.

Since those Flaming Cliffs type modules are a lot less detailed in terms of avionics, then the HOTAS X should work. Just make sure you assign a key to act as a shift key for twice the amount of buttons.
ALEX IV Aug 5, 2013 @ 11:04pm 
There is another option. CH fighterstick and throttle.
Thing is built like a tank. Stick has an F-16 style button layout. Plenty of hats on the throttle.
Perhaps the only con is the light spring on the stick, needs some time to adjust if you are used to heavier springs. However, it can be modded relatively easy.
PieceOfMind Aug 6, 2013 @ 12:27am 
I've got a Logitech G940 which I really do not recommend. It has a really bad "hysterisis" issue on the throttle which makes it perform very poorly for fine adjustments of the control.

What I'm really holding out for is a HOTAS that will potentially come after the F/A-18C module is released. If that plane is a real hit (it's hard to imagine it not being so) then it seems reasonable to predict that in a similar fashion to Thrustmaster making a stick for the Warthog, one of the big players in the joystick business would make an F18 one.

As far as I know there wouldn't be a whole lot of difference with the Warthog but maybe there'll be some more innovations in joystick design by that time.
Troll Norris Aug 6, 2013 @ 1:45am 
Originally posted by PieceOfMind:
I've got a Logitech G940 which I really do not recommend. It has a really bad "hysterisis" issue on the throttle which makes it perform very poorly for fine adjustments of the control.

What I'm really holding out for is a HOTAS that will potentially come after the F/A-18C module is released. If that plane is a real hit (it's hard to imagine it not being so) then it seems reasonable to predict that in a similar fashion to Thrustmaster making a stick for the Warthog, one of the big players in the joystick business would make an F18 one.

As far as I know there wouldn't be a whole lot of difference with the Warthog but maybe there'll be some more innovations in joystick design by that time.

Download and install the latest firmware for it. It will fix that hysteresis problem.
I also have G940 and I am on way to make an operation of throttle segmet. I will change potenciometers by more precise hall sensors.
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