F-4E release date on Steam?

[Chugster]

With the module no more than 2 months away when can we expect to be able to pre-order here on Steam?

[Troll Norris]

There is no release date for no version. F-4E have been delayed few days ago.
https://store.heatblur.com/blogs/news/of-delays-and-silence
https://store.heatblur.com/blogs/news/of-delays-and-progress-part-ii

[Chugster]

I know that, but I still dont know why the Steam pre-order is taking so long?

Its not like we have to wait for release to pre order

[NineLine]

Originally posted by Chugster:

With the module no more than 2 months away when can we expect to be able to pre-order here on Steam?

Sadly it will not be possible to do a pre-order on Steam. You can switch to the standalone and it is still available there otherwise you will need to wait until the module releases on Steam to purchase it. Sorry.

[Chugster]

Great, you couldnt have mentioned this earlier?

[Troll Norris]

Originally posted by Chugster:

Great, you couldnt have mentioned this earlier?

They did many times. There is not possible to make preorder without adding release date. Few years ago there was added some date as the placeholder. But it was very confusing for customers and they were continuously asking why the aircraft had not been released yet.

[Insônia]

they did and it's part of Steam TOS and SDA:
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store/prepurchase

Pre-order is bad bla bla bla..
For these reasons, we do not support running a pre-purchase except in a few rare cases with partners with which we have a well-established relationship and that have a proven track record on Steam.

ED need to respect Valve's TOS. Heatblur is a third-party and ED need respect their decision as well. but negotiation is always open. so there is always chances. once they have a date.

Originally posted by https://forum.dcs.world/topic/336669-dcs-f-4e-phantomii-pre-order-now-live/?do=findComment&comment=5352013:

Hey, a steam pre-order will come, but closer to release. This is because steam has a few requirements like setting a release date, which we cannot do just yet. But it will come.

I understand some people want to support the dev but why you upset about unable to buy vaporwares. there is no physical copy need to rush. they will always "in stock".

According to almost all online stores' "TOS," everything you purchase is "AS-IS" and "AS-Available." There isnt any legally liability for "finishing the product" if user already paid. There are no financial incentives for company once you paid. All at their mercy.
I glad and want to see more dev take pride and dignity of their work. take their time. let them cook. And the online stores took measurements to pre-order model. Instead push unfinished buggy content for quick bucks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkronGq4zmM

[Gunfreak]

Originally posted by NineLine:

Originally posted by Chugster:

With the module no more than 2 months away when can we expect to be able to pre-order here on Steam?

Sadly it will not be possible to do a pre-order on Steam. You can switch to the standalone and it is still available there otherwise you will need to wait until the module releases on Steam to purchase it. Sorry.

It is only necessary to have a set date to allow pre order. ED has had pre orders themselves on many moduals, including the latest like Mossie and Apache.

[GrimReaper 06]

So with no pre-order on steam I guess us steam users get SCREWED out of the pre-order extras as you supposedly can not get the modules from DCS stand alone & convert them to steam. Is this correct or am I missing something somewhere?

[Troll Norris]

Usually With the release in Steam there is short time discount to compensate the preorder discount.

[NineLine]

Originally posted by Chugster:

Great, you couldnt have mentioned this earlier?

We thought this was clear, and I apologize if it wasn't. In the past we have managed to do a pre-order on Steam but currently it is not possible.

Originally posted by GrimReaper 06:

So with no pre-order on steam I guess us steam users get SCREWED out of the pre-order extras as you supposedly can not get the modules from DCS stand alone & convert them to steam. Is this correct or am I missing something somewhere?

You can only transfer modules to the Standalone, again due to how DCS works and Steam rules it can only go one way.

[NineLine]

Originally posted by Gunfreak:

Originally posted by NineLine:

Sadly it will not be possible to do a pre-order on Steam. You can switch to the standalone and it is still available there otherwise you will need to wait until the module releases on Steam to purchase it. Sorry.

It is only necessary to have a set date to allow pre order. ED has had pre orders themselves on many moduals, including the latest like Mossie and Apache.

We cannot give a release date that we don't know 100% yet. And setting a date that we might miss is not something we want to do. Thanks.

[NineLine]

Originally posted by Troll Norris:

Usually With the release in Steam there is short time discount to compensate the preorder discount.

I cannot confirm 100% that HB will do this, but generally there is Early Access pricing.

[Gunfreak]

Originally posted by NineLine:

Originally posted by Gunfreak:

It is only necessary to have a set date to allow pre order. ED has had pre orders themselves on many moduals, including the latest like Mossie and Apache.

We cannot give a release date that we don't know 100% yet. And setting a date that we might miss is not something we want to do. Thanks.

So instead of saving steam users money by having a a date that might be moved (like the apache) you've just decided to not have pre order on steam anymore just because you might have to move the date.
Last time this happened it was blamed on RAZBAM. But this ED policy.

[Undead Rufus]

Originally posted by GrimReaper 06:

So with no pre-order on steam I guess us steam users get SCREWED out of the pre-order extras as you supposedly can not get the modules from DCS stand alone & convert them to steam. Is this correct or am I missing something somewhere?

A FOMO-obsessed player is one of the things greedy corporations have exploited to make the modern gaming market a hellscape of unfinished products costing full or near-full price.

AFAIK, you aren't being "screwed" out of anything by not being able to pre-order on Steam. There are no "extras," aside from being able to play the unfinished module early. Fortunately—at least so far—ED doesn't use unique helmets, liveries or missile skins to entice pre-orders (I hope I didn't just give them ideas).

You can't convert standalone modules to Steam, because that would require ED to provide a Steam key along with every standalone purchase.

[Troll Norris]

Originally posted by Undead Rufus:

Originally posted by GrimReaper 06:

So with no pre-order on steam I guess us steam users get SCREWED out of the pre-order extras as you supposedly can not get the modules from DCS stand alone & convert them to steam. Is this correct or am I missing something somewhere?

A FOMO-obsessed player is one of the things greedy corporations have exploited to make the modern gaming market a hellscape of unfinished products costing full or near-full price.

AFAIK, you aren't being "screwed" out of anything by not being able to pre-order on Steam. There are no "extras," aside from being able to play the unfinished module early. Fortunately—at least so far—ED doesn't use unique helmets, liveries or missile skins to entice pre-orders (I hope I didn't just give them ideas).

You can't convert standalone modules to Steam, because that would require ED to provide a Steam key along with every standalone purchase.

It happened only once. All who pre-ordered A-10C (I mean the very first A-10C), they got the NTTR terrain for free.