Every aircraft i fly feels like a brick

[Erol NL]

Hi,

I just got this game and even bought the FC3 dlc. However, I am very disapointed.
The flight controls are horrible. No matter which aircraft I try, I simply cannot make a short turn (pulling back on the stick while applying left or right rudder). I tried various speeds but it keeps stalling. I tried putting it on game mode (which is not what i bought this for!) but that does not help either.

On top of that, Why can't we simply map our joystick's throtlle lever to the thrust key(s) for the dlc? I can do it for the general game but not for the planes in the dlc. No matter what I try it won't map it.

Also, weapon keys that I mapped to my joystick don't work consistently. It does map them but they only partially work in teh game or not at all.

I have a Microsoft sidewinder joystick.

Please help cause I feel really ripped off.

[bbfloyd]

I'm not sure what to tell you, as there are thousands and thousands of users out there with just about every joystick system manufactured in the last 15 years out there running this simulation just fine.

I myself am running a Thrustamster HOTAS Warthog with Saitek Combat flight pedals. Do realize that you will have a different "column" appear in the controls setup for each controller + keyboard recognized, and each is set up and saved separately. It is a litlle more involved than Falcon 4.0 for instance. You can also hand edit the .lua files also for each controller. Make backups!

[Erol NL]

I know about the different columns and I did not buy a game to be a pseudo developer having to mess with files.

[kazereal]

Originally posted by Erol NL:

No matter which aircraft I try, I simply cannot make a short turn (pulling back on the stick while applying left or right rudder).

Check your airspeed indicator, don't try over-G and so on.

These fighters don't use rudder much while turning normally (unless trying some acrobatic maneuvers). Roll aircraft with ailerons, then pull stick for elevators to make the turn. This way you have much more surface area perpendicular to direction you were traveling and is much more effective.

Rudder in these aircraft are for takeoffs and landings mostly.

Originally posted by Erol NL:

On top of that, Why can't we simply map our joystick's throtlle lever to the thrust key(s) for the dlc? I can do it for the general game but not for the planes in the dlc. No matter what I try it won't map it.

I'm not sure I understand where you are mapping..
See under "axis commands" in controls for throttle to bind into analog input.
Those are different bindings from the "button press" bindings.

Originally posted by Erol NL:

Also, weapon keys that I mapped to my joystick wont work consistently. It does map them but they only partially work in teh game or not at all.

Which weapon and which aircraft? In some cases gun and weapon release are two different buttons, you may need proper lock for the missile to be launched and for some weapons you need to HOLD the weapon-release for a second or so (it's to prevent accidental launches).

Reading manual should help here also.

General DCS manuals: ..\SteamApps\common\DCSWorld\Doc\
Flaming Cliffs manuals: ..\SteamApps\common\DCSWorld\Mods\aircraft\Flaming Cliffs\Doc\

[Erol NL]

So in other words i cannot fly a plane in this PLANE simulator with just a joystick?
Thats even more ridiculous, In every plane (Ms Flightsimulator included) that i ever played this was possible but now i have to buy a rudder pedal or fly with my keyboard?????

[TOG | schießen]

Originally posted by Erol NL:

I know about the different columns and I did not buy a game to be a pseudo developer having to mess with files.

try ace combatt series buddy

[Erol NL]

Ace combat is broken, i left that game months ago. I did like HAWX very much though but it lacked the realism DCS has. However, that realism makes the game less fun to play for me. I am not an arcade junkie, really, but I don't want to become a fighterpilot or go through tons of manuals in order to play a game.

[Fran-war]

Originally posted by Erol NL:

So in other words i cannot fly a plane in this PLANE simulator with just a joystick?
Thats even more ridiculous, In every plane (Ms Flightsimulator included) that i ever played this was possible but now i have to buy a rudder pedal or fly with my keyboard?????

You can fly without rudder pedals. You'll need the keyboard, since you (most likely) don't have a full cockpit with all the buttons required.

Originally posted by Erol NL:

The flight controls are horrible. No matter which aircraft I try, I simply cannot make a short turn (pulling back on the stick while applying left or right rudder). I tried various speeds but it keeps stalling. I tried putting it on game mode (which is not what i bought this for!) but that does not help either.

When you turn, don't just go full aft stick. Your AoA will be too high and you'll stall if you keep going. Try to gently pull and release when you reach the turning limit. Also, this limit depends on your speed. The F-15C, for example, has a corner speed (the speed at which you can pull as hard as you can) of about 450 mph. If you're below or above, you won't be able to pull that hard.
Try it yourself and get the hang of each aircraft.

Originally posted by Erol NL:

I know about the different columns and I did not buy a game to be a pseudo developer having to mess with files.

You don't even need to do anything outside of DCS. Just make sure you take the time to rebind every button and axis to your liking, and everything will be more enjoyable.

[kazereal]

Originally posted by Erol NL:

So in other words i cannot fly a plane in this PLANE simulator with just a joystick?
Thats even more ridiculous, In every plane (Ms Flightsimulator included) that i ever played this was possible but now i have to buy a rudder pedal or fly with my keyboard?????

What do you mean?

If you step into actual aircraft you don't fly it with just the stick, there's throttle, rudder pedals and pedals have toe-brakes. You can simulate with keypresses and such but it's not same as real thing.

MS Flightsimulator is rather bad, it doesn't simulate ground effect properly, for example.

Edit: also things like flatspin and over-G situations are simply not simulated in FSX so they have not effect in flight.
DCS however does simulate those, especially on F-15C and Su-27 flight model upgrade is coming this month.

[JackHorner]

Originally posted by Erol NL:

but I don't want to become a fighterpilot or go through tons of manuals in order to play a game.

Well this is a simulation, not a game. Im not being smug or anything, thats just a fact. You can't expect to just jump in without a thought and kill everything or fly around like an ace without putting in a little effort.

also you can fly this game with a joystick, you dont need rudder pedals, a twist joystick is fine.

[Erol NL]

A twist joystick?

Oh, btw, why does DCS go to the desktop and back everytime a mission ends or when you go to the main menu? No game I have does this. Very anoying.

[Fran-war]

Originally posted by Erol NL:

Oh, btw, why does DCS go to the desktop and back everytime a mission ends or when you go to the main menu? No game I have does this. Very anoying.

It's just a transition between the menu and the mission. I personnally don't see why it's annoying.

[kazereal]

Originally posted by Erol NL:

A twist joystick?

One where you "twist" the handle of joystick clockwise/counterclockwise for additional axis.

Originally posted by Erol NL:

Oh, btw, why does DCS go to the desktop and back everytime a mission ends or when you go to the main menu? No game I have does this. Very anoying.

Currently DCS has more than one binary and launcher switches that when starting actual simulation. DCS 2.0.0 is expected to combine those into same binary so that does not have occur anymore.

[Chakir]

How about you and me go jump in a multiplayer server so I can evaluate just what the problem is while flying as trying to expain the feeling of flight is just hard through text. PM me when you're ready.

[kazereal]

Also, just to clarify, is this how you are flying or something else?
This uses roll (ailerons) and pitch (elevators). Yaw (rudder) is not really used here.

http://youtu.be/xO-Ooui72FA?t=2m50s

[[GCA] King Apo]

Which airplane are we even talking about?