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ash0787 2014 年 4 月 19 日 下午 1:07
GBU-12 completely missing the target
My laser guided bombs in ccrp mode with autolase set to 8 seconds from around 5000 ft radar are sometimes not hitting the right place, often by a large margin, I have no idea why.

video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhvjt6CcyPU
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Tatsue 2014 年 4 月 23 日 上午 5:35 
引用自 aiyel
Sure, the cannon is cool, but it's most certainly not the plane's main weapon.

The A-10 was, literally, built around the cannon.
However, in the modern battlespace, it is safer for the aircraft to engage targets from altitude, since COIN operations usually do not include an opposing air force; but does include MANPAD threats.

引用自 aiyel
Seriously, one of the reasons the USAF wants rid of the things is that the gun, which is practically useless in a modern battlespace except against soft targets in a threat-free environment [...]

That said, the gun IS great for low-altitude direct fire support against infantry and other soft targets. It also happens to be accurate and, for lack of a better word at the moment, subtle. I mean, it's anything but subtle, but it's a lot easier to control collateral damage with the GAU-8 than it is to do so with a JDAM.

You can't say "it's not useful" and then give an example of how useful it is. :P

引用自 aiyel
But the fact is, all of those jobs can be performed just as easily by the lighter M-61 as the honking big GAU-8 (with its honking big ammo) because anymore, the gun is simply not competitive vs. modern tank armor like it was in the '70s

Would be interested in a source for that.

It might not outright kill tanks the way it would a T-60 from 0,6 slant range. But you don't have to kill what's inside the tank, really - you can put them out of business none the less.

But do remember that there is no dichotomy between just Battle tanks and Technicals. There's a LOT of stuff in between, including armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and so on - and those things are still very much susceptible to 30mm love , and there's a lot more of them too. And the difference between the guns is considerable:

PGU-14 API (GAU-8 API round)
Ek = ½ 0,395 * 1 070²
Ek = ½ 0,395 * 1 144 900
Ek = ½ 452 235,5
Ek = 226 117,75 Joules

M53 API (M61 API round)
Ek = ½ 0,1 * 1050²
Ek = ½ 0,1 * 1 102 500
Ek = ½ 110 250
Ek = 55 125 Joules

Said IFV's and APC's are more likely to be in close contact with your forces than battle tanks, too.

Now, on the question of whether the GAU-8 is "better enough" to defend itself on it's own, so to speak? Probably not - it cannot, alone defend keeping the plane in service. Sure. But I would more likely suspect that the problem isn't so much that the gun itself is "obsolete" against armored vehicles, more that a "serious" opponent (say, US vs Russia or China) would have considerably more MANPAD assets embedded than would insurgents.

But given what the US has been fighting since the wall came down, there does still appear to be a job for it - especially given it's superb loitering abilities and lower speeds, making it easier to lay down accurate fires.

These things tend to always be about more than just the aircraft itself, though. There is all the stuff with simplifying logistics, spare parts etcetera etcetera that might make it desirable to replace it with something else purely on a cost-saving consideration - or even without cost-savings, simply just simplifying the supply chain which might itself be desirable; especially when operating counter-insurgency in foreign territory with extended supply lines.

I do suspect there simply is no final word on it - at least not without having insight into the details of supply chains, costs, tests performed (that might be secret in the case of tests against new armor types) etcetera.
simping for Vi 2019 年 12 月 4 日 上午 12:41 
I drop mine from about 20000 in the F/A-18, and they just disappear, i look at the map, and there is no bomb, although i just released it...
bignewy  [開發人員] 2019 年 12 月 4 日 上午 2:17 
If you can link a short track replay showing this behaviour I will check it. Thanks
Troll Norris 2019 年 12 月 4 日 上午 7:27 
You can also release the laser guided bomb from lower altitudes. Just you need more energy for it. So less altitude=need more speed. Also the bomb might lose tracking due to gimball limits of laser pointer or because the target is lased from different aspect.
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