MiG-29S versus Excellent AI F-15

[Chameleon_Silk]

BVR demo i did showing a pretty flawless way to take em out, humans definetly trickier but I think i managed a pretty textbook BVR engagement in the video, posted for those who have a hard time with BVR stuff.

http://youtu.be/5vxCMbCx1RA?t=30s

[[SCoRPioN]]

Looks like the F-15C used a semi-active AiM-7M at closer range instead of 120B/C.
And you used R-77 active radar missile and launched first at RMax, which missed of course.

You definitely got in within the AMRAAM's death zone at 15km and when he was hit, his AiM-7M lost track. Would otherwise have been a mutual kill.

Try an F-Pole with R-27ER and launch between RMin and RMax for first missile hit probability.

Also, think of Russian jets as "Flying SAMs" and not so much as "look down shoot down" capability, but with support of GCI/EWR/AWAC, you supposed to flank the bandits and surprise them by denying them situational awareness and retaining your own.

Watch The Art of the Kill training video from the Falcon simulator.
It applies to LockOn/DCS/FC3.
Lead, Pure and Lag pursuits are used with Missiles and BVR also, not just cannon dogfights.
There's a lot more that goes into BVR, including the use of ECM forcing the incoming missiles into pure instead of lead pursuit, draining its energy, making it take a longer trajectory and more susceptible to chaff.

There's a lot more going on in DCS than the eye can see.
Need to learn and master the techniques and geometry of the physics of the simulation.
That's in addition to being able to make full use of aircraft sensors like the EOS in Russian jets.
You can gain an advantage over the enemy while playing it safe and stealthy, and get that kill and never get shot down, if you fly smart and have a sense of self preservation, making the full use of your situational awareness while denying it to the enemy, each time.

Air combat is full of "Problem - Solution" scenarios and you need to resolve them in the most efficient way, in real time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5laDQe0w6w

[Chameleon_Silk]

nah he launched an amraam not an AIM-7, he had a HOJ shot only with his AIM-120, at 45 km i launch and when hes about to get a clean lock he has to turn his nose away. At no point was it going to be a mutual kill, his AMRAAM was out of energy while mine still had a chance of killing him forcing him to turn away off boresight where he couldn't launch anything else from there on out its all downhill for him.

I have watched The Art of the kill many times Scorpion... did you even watch the video or did you just click into the action part because you talk of geometry and angles thats the reason its 10 minutes long to show every reaction from the "I've been spotted mark"

if i wanted to stay hidden i wouldn't be at 6000 meters altitude and being sneaky is not an option if you've been spotted by an aircraft which was the point of the engagement to not be sneaky and to fight with a neutral setup, I disagree with saying use a missile that is not active on him and to hold on to it longer, thats suicide! he has an amraam how do i hold a lock with an AMRAAM heading for me thats pitbull?

in short i disagree with 99 pct of what your saying besides the part about art of the kill being a great video to study, you open up with he must have used an AIM-7M... which is wrong, he didn't lose lock because he got hit, his missile was out of energy by the time he had to be defensive and my music was now off, so his missle was off course and low in energy... he never gets a 2nd shot so regardless of the death zone he cant fire an amraam when hes flying sideways from me unless of course you consider being on your opponents 6 oclock high with a valid lock a disadvantage or being in the death zone.

watch the video again....

[Jack9579]

Great vid! I love the new aircraft :)

[Chameleon_Silk]

thanks Jack9579, hopefully it helps ppl out with BVR engagements.

[Chameleon_Silk]

ok since scorpion had that whole enagement really wrong, i thought i would do another one, this time using another trick to increase my RMAX further.

this time 1 missile, 1 kill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU5jr2Vc1Ww&feature=youtu.be

[[SCoRPioN]]

I fly ED sims for 20 years, buddy.
I didnt see you even look at your RWR Beryoza, especially towards the end.
The AMRAAM closing would show on RWR as circle filling up, you didn't use that.
You only are alive because the AI doesn't follow up with more sticks after the initial one and the AI launches at RMax which is never a hit on a maneuvering target and only a drone.

This tactic will achieve a mutual kill if flown online.
AI are only good to practice the basic engagements when you just learning DCS.
Nothing like this will occur online. Never at RMax.

But I appreciate your attempt at diluting my truthful statements based solely on the fact that I didn't see the RWR at the end, but you didn't look at it either.

[[SCoRPioN]]

And it's the AiM-120B you having the AI use in the second video, not C, which is better.
F-15C launched it at RMax of like 60km from high, that will never reach anything but a target flying straight.

It does look like you do not pay attention to the RWR.

Try doing it online. You have to play smarter than a simple notching of the target and A-Pole with active R-77.

Again, try an F-Pole with ER or give the F-15C the 120C missile.

[[SCoRPioN]]

=LFC=Chameleon_Silk の投稿を引用：

this time 1 missile, 1 kill.

The first missile missed from RMax, as predicted. This statement is false, sorry.

[Chameleon_Silk]

RWR circle filling up is called emission strength growing, just cause I don't zoom in on it doesn't mean I'm not looking at it...

the AI can't follow up with more shots or hes gonna eat my missile which he does in the 2nd video.

I agree that human opponents are trickier because they will do more tricks to max and minimize their RMAX and their opponents RMAX, what do you think I'm doing in the video...

20 years of flying maybe thats why you can't cool your jets, get it, its a joke Scorpion lighten up a bit would you, feel free to post a video of your own showing your F-Pole with R-27ER... maybe some video might make what you say a bit more credible.

I'm not gonna redo it with him firing all AIM-120C's, regardless it would still have the same outcome even if he fired all 6 in a row 5-10 seconds apart, it would not be a mutual kill and I would still kill him all the same, if he can't guide his AMRAAM to pitbull I'm gonna defeat his missile by placing it on the beam everytime.

[Chameleon_Silk]

SCoRPioN の投稿を引用：

=LFC=Chameleon_Silk の投稿を引用：

this time 1 missile, 1 kill.

The first missile missed from RMax, as predicted. This statement is false, sorry.

well you can certainly tell you didn't even watch the 2nd video, how can the first missile miss if i only fire a single missile. FAIL. also I'm not firing from RMAX, I am firing from within my RMAX, again are you paying attention to the HUD, or are you so buried in the RWR still?

it wouldn't matter if he hoarded his missiles till 30 KM away hes gonna lose everytime using the approach that the AI is using, what he should be doing is doing what I'm doing to him, instead hes charging right at me, unaware of what I'm doing...

[[SCoRPioN]]

The hit you scored against AI was at 5km in the first video.
That's a WVR kill dude.

I'm sorry, but you have failed to achieve a BVR kill even if evaded his slow missile from RMax.
Instead of launching at 40km, wait for 30-25km and you are free to A-Pole and turn around since 77 is ARH.

The AI isn't going to follow up anyway and then it will be a BVR kill.
Hence you never visually saw the bandit and killed him.

[[SCoRPioN]]

Anyway, you are welcome to try notching or anything you want against me with SARH F-Pole or stealthy EOS :)
Or I can jump in F-15C and you won't know what happened.
So much that you'd think it's a cheat lol
The AI are very basic, unfortunately. They almost seemed better in LOMAC/FC1/2.

[Chameleon_Silk]

SCoRPioN の投稿を引用：

The hit you scored against AI was at 5km in the last video.
That's a WVR kill dude.

I'm sorry, but you have failed to achieve a BVR kill even if evaded his slow missile from RMax.
Instead of launching at 40km, wait for 30-25km and you are free to A-Pole and turn around since 77 is ARH.

The AI isn't going to follow up anyway and then it will be a BVR kill.
Hence you never visually saw the bandit and killed him.

I launch at 45 km but the kill i got was WVR, yeah ok, sounds like your logic.

[[SCoRPioN]]

=LFC=Chameleon_Silk の投稿を引用：

SCoRPioN の投稿を引用：

The hit you scored against AI was at 5km in the last video.
That's a WVR kill dude.

I'm sorry, but you have failed to achieve a BVR kill even if evaded his slow missile from RMax.
Instead of launching at 40km, wait for 30-25km and you are free to A-Pole and turn around since 77 is ARH.

The AI isn't going to follow up anyway and then it will be a BVR kill.
Hence you never visually saw the bandit and killed him.

I launch at 45 km but the kill i got was WVR, yeah ok, sounds like your logic.

You got within WVR at the time of the hit.
You are supposed to take advantage of the ARH R-77 and perform an A-Pole and not keep flying towards the bandit.

Again, a player would not permit you to survive like this.

[mika]

Great program I watched the whole thing thank you very much for posting it!