Excellent game, crap community

[IBeDesh]

Hear me out first...

Yesterday, loaded into a server, already 7 crashes causing the runway to turn into an obsticle course. Whilst attempting to take off it turned into what I can only describe as a meteor shower as 3 jets fall from the sky in attempts to land/nosedive and crash right beside and infront... I avoid all of this, get in the air, take a breath in result of what I actually just managed to avoid. I'm in the air climbing altitude, then the next thing I know i'm being buzzed, I bank right massively and keeping low alt, one missle flies over the cockpit narrowly missing me. I keep banking right almost into a 180 to see a SU25T (Friendly) fly pass and begin the process of making another run at me. (On this server SU25T's are Blue side only). So me fully loaded up with CAS, drop all of my loadout and release some fuel trying to lighten up. As i'm looking around and double checking to see if any enemy's was in the sky and make myself %100 sure it was that friendly buzzing me and not actually an enemy, i see a stream of white cloud coming towards me from the same SU25T... Obviously nothing I could do, blown clean out of the sky.

Today, rinse and repeat of what I just explained.

It's been like this for weeks on pretty much any server. Even came across somebody who bought the Mig, F15, SU27 and A10..... Just to ramn people with..... Why spend what, £40? just to ramn people in planes.

I have however met some really cool and descent people that I fly with whenever I can get on... But the ratio of idiots to good flyers is just way in favour of the idiots right now.

Opinions on how and where to avoid this and actually get a good flight in, would be awesome.

IMO awesome game, just this problem is getting out of hand.

[Chameleon_Silk]

Simple solution is to not fly with noobs or run your own missions with friends, what your describing sounds like a public server.

the community is hit or miss with devoted groups usually forming up and running private servers.

[kazereal]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Desh:

It's been like this for weeks on pretty much any server. Even came across somebody who bought the Mig, F15, SU27 and A10..... Just to ramn people with..... Why spend what, £40? just to ramn people in planes.

These have the simplified systems so rookies can start them easily. If bought on discount the price has been very low at times.

Most servers kick people for that kind of behavior I think.

[[GCA] King Apo]

Gotta say the OP shouldn't whine about community when he is not even flying on a administrated server. What do you want us to do about it? If somebody creates a server and let's people do stupid stuff there or doesn't kick people who behave wrong, we as a community can't do anything about it.

Second problem is that SL mod is broken in 1.5 and we can't have nice things like autokick/ban. So yeah, OP expect people being angry for calling them crap.

Not to offend you, but apparently you don't even know the established servers (104th for example) and calling the community crap is simply uncalled for since apparently you don't even know a fraction of the community.

[IBeDesh]

Początkowo opublikowane przez GCA King Apo:

Gotta say the OP shouldn't whine about community when he is not even flying on a administrated server. What do you want us to do about it? If somebody creates a server and let's people do stupid stuff there or doesn't kick people who behave wrong, we as a community can't do anything about it.

Second problem is that SL mod is broken in 1.5 and we can't have nice things like autokick/ban. So yeah, OP expect people being angry for calling them crap.

Not to offend you, but apparently you don't even know the established servers (104th for example) and calling the community crap is simply uncalled for since apparently you don't even know a fraction of the community.

Firstly, I did make it clear I had infact met a lot of cool people, so i'm not branding %100 of the community crap, I even stated "I have however met some really cool and descent people that I fly with whenever I can get on... But the ratio of idiots to good flyers is just way in favour of the idiots right now".

Second, just left a server that has auto kick enabled for people that TK twice... I don't know if your unaware of this or if the server has a differen't version or 3rd party enabled or anything, but it does exist.

Third, no I don't know the established servers, as I am clearly talking about public servers... You go into a public, low/medium populated server right now (10+/50 slots), go look at the leaderboard and look at all the friendly fires etc at the bottom. I just did it and out of 11, the bottom 4 have minimum 3 friendly fires on aircraft. That's %30 of the server tk'ing, you understand my point now?

I wasn't talking about squadrons, clans, groups or any of them as i'm sure they are really cool. I actually have a lot of respect for them as they taught me a fair chunk of my flying on DCS and FSX... But I'm talking about general public servers that anybody can hop into without having to sign up here or there or whatever. I don't have time right now to sign up to anywhere, just to get a couple of hours flying in, when I actually have time.

I don't know if I made that clear enough, My post wasn't intended to offend, Hope this clears it up.

[IBeDesh]

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Simple solution is to not fly with noobs or run your own missions with friends, what your describing sounds like a public server.

the community is hit or miss with devoted groups usually forming up and running private servers.

Thanks for understand my point, yeah I met a few cool people on DCS like I said, i'll see if I can run with them at some point.

[[GCA] King Apo]

Yes, yes I get what you mean, please try to understand me: You are making a broad, anecdotal statement that we have no way of disproving. There are servers that are moderated and will not tolerate the described behaviour.

Stop making broad statements about the public servers, if there are problems bring it up with the respective community who hosts it. Again SL mod is currently broken and no automated kick/ban features. The server messages might still work and suggest otherwise. If we got an autokick function with 1.5 that I am not aware of please correct me.

What 'public servers' are we even talking about?

[Chameleon_Silk]

as in any server that is open to the public.

I'm not the OP, not the one making the original statement and just pointing out that you get what you get when you join an open server.

take a deep breath.

[IBeDesh]

Początkowo opublikowane przez GCA King Apo:

Yes, yes I get what you mean, please try to understand me: You are making a broad, anecdotal statement that we have no way of disproving. There are servers that are moderated and will not tolerate the described behaviour.

Stop making broad statements about the public servers, if there are problems bring it up with the respective community who hosts it. Again SL mod is currently broken and no automated kick/ban features. The server messages might still work and suggest otherwise. If we got an autokick function with 1.5 that I am not aware of please correct me.

What 'public servers' are we even talking about?

No, no I don't think you get what I mean.....

I'm not making any anecdotal statement.... I'm telling you an experience, handed you factual information about it and then gave an opinion about it. You don't need to 'disprove' it, if you feel like you need to disprove it, then you're going to have a long day. I even suggested you take the opportunity to see for yourself what I am meaning by my statement, by visiting a low/med public server. It's blatantly obvious that public servers do have a issue of teamkilling, I even just went in another server 20 minutes ago and a similar incident happened to what I described in my original post....

And there aren't that many 'public servers', i'm sure it isn't that hard to work out, is it? there is like 2-3 low/medium pop servers right now, I already mentioned this, it's not hard to look.

[IBeDesh]

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as in any server that is open to the public.

I'm not the OP, not the one making the original statement and just pointing out that you get what you get when you join an open server.

take a deep breath.

I don't know if you're referring to me? But i'm good man

I was just trying to make my point clear, and also trying to clear up anything that I said that could have caused offence

[[GCA] King Apo]

And I am telling you again, nothing we here can do about it. If you have problems on a server, take them up with the server host. I don't know which server you are talking about, I am flying right now on TAW, lot's of people, no TK issues. But if there were, I wouldn't go on the steam forums to talk about it, other than maybe to get in touch with a TAW person to get an admin online. :)

My experience is different (anecdotal^^) and I can't help but feel that you are just playing on the wrong servers/ are bad at communicating your problems to the administration. Yes there will be TKs, accidents and bigotry. I have done enough admin work in DCS to know that. But the quality of a public(dcs) server will be measured in how swift and generous the admin is with the ban hammer in those cases.

[IBeDesh]

Początkowo opublikowane przez GCA King Apo:

And I am telling you again, nothing we here can do about it. If you have problems on a server, take them up with the server host. I don't know which server you are talking about, I am flying right now on TAW, lot's of people, no TK issues. But if there were, I wouldn't go on the steam forums to talk about it, other than maybe to get in touch with a TAW person to get an admin online. :)

My experience is different (anecdotal^^) and I can't help but feel that you are just playing on the wrong servers/ are bad at communicating your problems to the administration. Yes there will be TKs, accidents and bigotry. I have done enough admin work in DCS to know that. But the quality of a public(dcs) server will be measured in how swift and generous the admin is with the ban hammer in those cases.

Yeah I totally understand you there man, I've got a feeling i'm in the wrong servers a lot of the time. Obviously accidents happen etc, but there is a fine line between one-two friendly fires and ten, if that makes sense?

And I actually used to be in the TAW server a lot and that is the best server in my experience to date, spoke to a few of the guys in the group too who are really descent! I do travel a lot and that makes it hard to be part of a 'committed' group (Even though I wish I had the time, I simply don't).

Maybe in the near future I can sort something out in regard to that, but for now it looks like its a game of just finding the right servers :)

[[GCA] King Apo]

Generally squadrons who host a server also have a public teamspeak.(I have 20x DCS squad favorites^^) If I have problems somewhere, and no admin is online you can also try to get an admin online that way.

Don't let 'random noobs' ruin your DCS experience, most server admins have an absolut zero tolerance policy for that sort of stuff and honestly, you shouldn't consider them as part of the community either. Somebody doing regular teamkills will get banned from the handful of regular MP servers in no time. Just right now without SL mod in 1.5 stuff might suck for a bit.

[FishMonkeh]

I dunno, DCS falls into public Servers, were things can be messy and new players dont get to learn and can end up ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about, Blue on Blue can be easy to do in this game OR servers can be run by groups were you have to fill in a 2 page recruitment crap, have an "interview" on Teamspeak, have a rank and devote precious time to "Operations" and explain yourself when you dont turn up.
Its Very much like ARMA in that respect, you either have to be all in or you dont really get the full experience that DCS offers. Sometimes you can get lucky with servers and get a good game.
People with very random gaming time like myself dont really get to experience proper group play. That said, neither am I going to go on teamspeak for an interview, I already have a job.

[[GCA] King Apo]

While there are certainly groups as you describe and that sort of thing is not for everyone, there are also 'casual' squadrons&communitys who don't have that sort of thing.

Right on top of my hat there is =STP= for german speaking people who are very open and just 'drop in on to TS' and fly around sort of thing. Those groups might be a bit more invisible because they don't do active recruitment, they are just drop in & have fun.

Also I urge everyone who flys online regulary to just hop into the TS3 of the hosting server. DCS-MP experience (especially in pvp) is massively enhanced by voiceover comms. The 'aircraft-speak' might be a bit overwhelming at first but you will get there and be sure to always inform everyone that you are new to this.

A human wingman is priceless! :)

[IBeDesh]

Thanks for the insight and information, it's really appreciated :)