win wing z axis module

[DoomsdayDuck555]

does anyone know when it will be back in stock?

[Undead Rufus]

I was about to advise checking #winwing under the HOTAS/HOSAS/SIMPIT Discord, but it looks like you already did. If nobody there knows, probably nobody here is going to either.

Historically, restock times are measured in weeks to months, but I don't know how they're doing these days. It's been over a year since I ordered anything.

[DoomsdayDuck555]

should i just get the cheap logitech ones and replace them when/if winwing ever restocks them

[Undead Rufus]

You can, but if you're gonna spend that much you might as well check out Virpil.

Don't know where you're located, but they can ship from a U.S. warehouse now. Virpil products are comparable to Winwing, if not better, and their website is easier on the eyes.

[DoomsdayDuck555]

I checked out virpil, and their rudders are 100-200 more than the logitech. My idea is blow my budget on the stick and throttle, and buy the cheapest rudder and hope the twist is restocked over the summer.

[Undead Rufus]

Originally posted by DoomsdayDuck555:

I checked out virpil, and their rudders are 100-200 more than the logitech. My idea is blow my budget on the stick and throttle, and buy the cheapest rudder and hope the twist is restocked over the summer.

CH Pro Pedals are a decent (and ugly) option if you want something cheaper that's still built well. Once you have a rudder, I don't know why you'd go to a twist-axis unless you just had to for space/convenience reasons. Rudders are recommended for warbirds, not as important for most jets.

In related news, the Virpil Constellation Alpha Prime stick comes with a twist mechanism built in, which can be locked if you don't need it.

[DoomsdayDuck555]

Originally posted by Undead Rufus:

Originally posted by DoomsdayDuck555:

I checked out virpil, and their rudders are 100-200 more than the logitech. My idea is blow my budget on the stick and throttle, and buy the cheapest rudder and hope the twist is restocked over the summer.

CH Pro Pedals are a decent (and ugly) option if you want something cheaper that's still built well. Once you have a rudder, I don't know why you'd go to a twist-axis unless you just had to for space/convenience reasons. Rudders are recommended for warbirds, not as important for most jets.

In related news, the Virpil Constellation Alpha Prime stick comes with a twist mechanism built in, which can be locked if you don't need it.

I looked at that, but the the winwing bundle looked the best for its price. I checked and getting a winwing throttle or another similiar quality one and a different joystick like vkb or virpil was too expensive

[startrekmike]

Originally posted by DoomsdayDuck555:

I checked out virpil, and their rudders are 100-200 more than the logitech. My idea is blow my budget on the stick and throttle, and buy the cheapest rudder and hope the twist is restocked over the summer.

CH pedals are really the only good choice in the entry level category. They are obviously a very old design and there is a certain level of occasional maintenance required (cleaning) but they hold up FAR better than any other rudder pedal setup in that price category.

If you do opt to get the CH's, it might not be a bad idea to just use them for a while and then eventually move up to better, higher-end pedals (the MFG Crosswinds are a tough set to beat considering how well they are built, how accurate they are, and how user-serviceable they are designed to be). The twist stick thing works okay but if you are going to get cheap pedals, you might as well use them until you can get better pedals. Pedals are ALWAYS going to be more accurate and more ergonomic than using a twist stick.

[DoomsdayDuck555]

Originally posted by startrekmike:

Originally posted by DoomsdayDuck555:

I checked out virpil, and their rudders are 100-200 more than the logitech. My idea is blow my budget on the stick and throttle, and buy the cheapest rudder and hope the twist is restocked over the summer.

CH pedals are really the only good choice in the entry level category. They are obviously a very old design and there is a certain level of occasional maintenance required (cleaning) but they hold up FAR better than any other rudder pedal setup in that price category.

If you do opt to get the CH's, it might not be a bad idea to just use them for a while and then eventually move up to better, higher-end pedals (the MFG Crosswinds are a tough set to beat considering how well they are built, how accurate they are, and how user-serviceable they are designed to be). The twist stick thing works okay but if you are going to get cheap pedals, you might as well use them until you can get better pedals. Pedals are ALWAYS going to be more accurate and more ergonomic than using a twist stick.

Is the lack of toe brakes a big deal?

[startrekmike]

Originally posted by DoomsdayDuck555:

Originally posted by startrekmike:

CH pedals are really the only good choice in the entry level category. They are obviously a very old design and there is a certain level of occasional maintenance required (cleaning) but they hold up FAR better than any other rudder pedal setup in that price category.

If you do opt to get the CH's, it might not be a bad idea to just use them for a while and then eventually move up to better, higher-end pedals (the MFG Crosswinds are a tough set to beat considering how well they are built, how accurate they are, and how user-serviceable they are designed to be). The twist stick thing works okay but if you are going to get cheap pedals, you might as well use them until you can get better pedals. Pedals are ALWAYS going to be more accurate and more ergonomic than using a twist stick.

Is the lack of toe brakes a big deal?

The answer is somewhat complicated. A good chunk of the WWII aircraft really, really benefit from toe brakes for even the most basic ground handling.

Beyond the WWII stuff, most of the jets have toe brake capability and you can use that to help with precise ground handling in certain situations but in those cases, even having a button assigned to each toe brake will work okay.

Keep in mind, I am only really talking specifically about toe braking here. If you want to talk about rudder control in general, that is a whole different story.