Can I even play this with mouse, flystick and keyboard?

[nikdonikde]

I'm really trying to get in the game, I currently have Ka-50 on trial and few models before.

The keybindings is horror story, I can't comprehend how to play this without full cabin IRL version. I just often needs to have three hands, one on mouse, second on joystick and third on keyboard at the same time.

How do y'all manage, any tips?

[Maki Nishikino]

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Цитата допису Maki Nishikino:

Setting up TrackIR is pretty optional. Only thing I did was install the TrackIR software and update the game list, that's it. There is no fuss to it.

You want to set the scaling between IRL and ingame looking angles. Your screen size and type of game create very different reqirements.

I have a 49" 5120x1440 monitor and a 32" 2560x1440 monitor and use TrackIR in a number of games. I've done nothing to set it up however I know you can.

[nikdonikde]

And when we are already on the topic, do anyone having recommendation for another mid-price flight stick and accessories as alternative to T1600?

T1600 is operational so it's not my prioriy now however I would like something which allows for longer axis (if that make sense).

I'm not sure if I suck at setting up deadzones and curves but it's seems to be overly sensitive which is deadly in helicopter.

[XIII]

Цитата допису Maki Nishikino:

I have a 49" 5120x1440 monitor and a 32" 5120x1440 monitor and I've done nothing. I know you can set it up though.

Well yeah, youre giving bad advice if you just assume everyone has screens like that lol. IIRC for most games and computer work, 27 inch in 16:9 is the optimal size to minimize eye movement.

So with TrackIR you gotta set it up exactly for your screen size and distance, to make sure youre not turning your head too far away from the screens center.

[Maki Nishikino]

VKB stuff is pretty good.

[Troll Norris]

Цитата допису nikdonikde:

And when we are already on the topic, do anyone having recommendation for another mid-price flight stick and accessories as alternative to T1600?

Probably Turtlebeach Velocity One https://turtlebeach.com/products/velocity-one-flight-stick

Цитата допису nikdonikde:

T1600 is operational so it's not my prioriy now however I would like something which allows for longer axis (if that make sense).

I am afraid there is not much options. Maybe there exist extensions for Saitek sticks.
But VKB and Virpil are made for that.

[Maki Nishikino]

Oh, TurtleBeach is actually quite good. I have their yoke and pedals.

[XIII]

Цитата допису nikdonikde:

And when we are already on the topic, do anyone having recommendation for another mid-price flight stick and accessories as alternative to T1600?

T1600 is operational so it's not my prioriy now however I would like something which allows for longer axis (if that make sense).

I'm not sure if I suck at setting up deadzones and curves but it's seems to be overly sensitive which is deadly in helicopter.

There isnt really much good choice when it comes to sticks, thats why I mentioned the VKB as an alternative. There is logitech sticks like G56, but they are just the same or worse as T16000 when it comes to feel and precision. Also Warthog, but its more expensive and only somewhat better, and breaks easily.

I also had a T16, the only meaningful upgrade was a VKB Gladiator Space Premium, which is 200 bucks. Above that is basically just Virpil with ~450 bucks for one stick, but thats mostly better production quality and apparently feels very similarly good.

Now, I do love my VKB Gladiator, its a massive upgrade from a T16. Got like 24 buttons, seperate springs and clutches for movement, and it feels amazing. So much more precise than a T16 in every way, its a big step up. You can also bind almost the entire HOTAS setup of an F18 on that stick, you dont even necessarily need a throttle with buttons.

For 200 bucks its actually a good offer. But then again, its also a lot of money to invest into a flight stick. If youre not long term into flight sims, that might not be worth it to you.

Цитата допису Troll Norris:

Probably Turtlebeach Velocity One https://turtlebeach.com/products/velocity-one-flight-stick

I know of the Velocity One, it does look neat. But is it actually more precise than a T16? If its got the same "central spring" style setup without clutches, then it wont help much keeping helis stable.

edit: I just checked, it apparently has a hard center and sticky springs. Thats a shame, means it got cool gimmicks, but itll control just as unprecise as the T16. Maybe worse, because at least the T16 has a light spring. T16+TWCS would be cheaper and better probably.

[Troll Norris]

I've found the good review of Velocityone:
https://youtu.be/B8DI3UadS_c

[XIII]

Цитата допису Troll Norris:

I've found the good review of Velocityone:
https://youtu.be/B8DI3UadS_c

Thanks! Sadly, that sounds like the flight stick itself is pretty bad, probably worse than a T16? If OP wants more controls, he can add a TWCS throttle and get so much more out of his setup.
Heck, this stick isnt even that much cheaper than a VKB Glad.

Its a real shame because on paper the VO Stick looked pretty nifty. But thats apparently all superficial.

[Maki Nishikino]

Recommend a slider mod for the TWCS.

[Sleepysteve]

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Цитата допису Sleepysteve:

This is all I have. It is a pain to play the game sometimes, but for pve it is fine. If you try to do pvp nerds with better stuff have a gargantuan advantage. So if you are planning on just doing pve you can have plenty of fun, but wouldn't recommend multiplayer pvp.

Good gear doesnt really give you an advantage, as long as you got some basics covered, say something like this:

1. VKB Gladiator (Space Premium) 200€
2. TWCS 100€
3. IR tracking solution 90€

Now, thats still not cheap, but you got 90% of the experience and there is basically no advantage you get with better gear.
And especially with FBW jets like F18/F16, a cheaper joystick like a T16000M (with not broken Z-axis) and a good key-setup should do almost as well as an expensive stick.

Stuff like the F-14 and Mig-21 is where you benefit from a good stick, but the modern computer planes in DCS are easy to fly.

This is literally exactly what I said. If you have a $20 logitech jotstick and mouse and keyboard you will get absolutely obliterated by someone with the exact same setup +track IR. Like I said you can play DCS with just this setup, like I do. But in pvp you will be at a supreme disadvantage to many ppl who play this game.