Clickable soviet plane?

[FreakyFrog42]

Hi everyone, I'm thinking of getting dcs and my setup is going to be an f-15c and an a-10a. However, I kind of want something more eastern-style and also clickable to add to the mix.

I'm struggling to choose between four modules: the mig 15, the 19, the 21 and the i-16.

I don´t really care about missiles or speed and i really need guns and maneuverability.

Thanks a million.

[FreakyFrog42]

btw should i ask on reddit too? I dont have an account but I can easily create one

[Gunfreak]

If you want maneuverability then it's the MiG15.
I-16 is a low powered pre ww2 plane, and nothing more than a curiosity and not useful for much of anything. Cool plane to play with tho.
The MiG19 and 21 are high speed interceptors (tho ended up being used for other stuff too)
The MiG15 is maneuverable, fast and powerful for a non afterburner aircraft. But mostly useful for fighting other non afterburner jets.

[Delta Dagger]

MiG-21 is wonderful. Don't believe the "it's so hard to fly" jargon. It's very easy to fly so long as you fly it by the numbers and accept that it does things fast.

MiG-19 is also pretty damn fun.

[FreakyFrog42]

Wow you guys are fast...

I see the MiG-21 and MiG-19 are fast at the cost of maneuverability.

What about guns? I-16 or MiG-15?

[Gunfreak]

Publicado originalmente por Irongamer202:

Wow you guys are fast...

I see the MiG-21 and MiG-19 are fast at the cost of maneuverability.

What about guns? I-16 or MiG-15?

The I-16 has 4 7.62mm machine guns with quite a few seconds firing time.
The MiG15 has 2 23mm guns and 1 37mm gun with about 10 seconds of firing time.

MiG15 video.

https://youtu.be/_i-O-HxzFZU

I-16 video

https://youtu.be/49jhPKgLsAw

[XIII]

Publicado originalmente por Irongamer202:

I see the MiG-21 and MiG-19 are fast at the cost of maneuverability.

Mig-21 is actually the cool kind of cold War interceptor that can turn quite well. Youre gonna lose more speed in hard turns, but thats what it got a powerful afterburner for. Its actually really fun to do short but decisive dogfights with gun or the "mostly" rear aspect heatseeking missiles.
Biggest shortcoming is the small fuel tank though, you dont get much range, let alone afterburn time, with that thing.

But hey, thats me. The problem is that if you want an aircraft thats agile, like F-5 or F-15, then the Soviets just dont really got that in the early and mid cold war. The Mig-21 is pretty core to the soviet fighter concept.

Your best bet is probably the Mig-15, thats the Soviet F-86 Sabre equivalent. That plane actually made a short comeback in Vietnam IIRC, by scaring the early F-4s, until better training and F-4Es decisively turned the tables.

I-16 is prop plane. Shouldnt be hard to decide, do you want a pre-WW2 prop plane or a post-WW2 early jet fighter?

[FreakyFrog42]

So, I did some research and it appears that the I-16 fires about as much as the MiG-21, and all the others fire almost half of that.

Now that's taken care of, which of these planes has the best maneuverability? To me, guns are about 35% of my needs, while the other 65% are maneuverability. That will be the decisive factor.

[XIII]

Publicado originalmente por Irongamer202:

So, I did some research and it appears that the I-16 fires about as much as the MiG-21, and all the others fire almost half of that.

Now that's taken care of, which of these planes has the best maneuverability? To me, guns are about 35% of my needs, while the other 65% are maneuverability. That will be the decisive factor.

Honestly, I dont get your definition at all. The I-16 is better at slow turns, the Mig-15 is more agile at fast turns. Theyre like completely different things.

Its like asking of a boat turns better than a zeppelin.

[FreakyFrog42]

I'm sorry, but I don't know what are slow and fast turns. Can you explain them to me like you're talking to a toddler, if you mind?

[XIII]

Publicado originalmente por Irongamer202:

I'm sorry, but I don't know what are slow and fast turns. Can you explain them to me like you're talking to a toddler, if you mind?

Oh no theres nothing wrong with asking basic questions^^

I-16 is a ~WW2 plane with propeller, and a somewhat slow one to boot. So itll likely fight at speeds from 150 up to 250 knots. Managing your speed will be very important, since a prop engine is a bit weak. You can spend speed to climb and gain altitude, or descend to gain speed. You can turn very well in a prop-fighter, even at slow speeds, but its also very important to keep an eye on speed.

The Mig-15 is a soviet jet interceptor. Im not overly familiar with it, but it can fly up to ~600 knots, and works best if you keep it at high speed. In fact, if you have a dogfight, one of its best tricks is not to turn sideways and fly in a circle, but rather pull up to make a giant looping.
For an early Cold War interceptor, its quite agile.

Tbh, your best bet is probably just to give the trial a chance. There you can test Mig-15 and I-15, and see if you want a prop-plane or jet.

[FreakyFrog42]

Thank you. I'll do that.

[FreakyFrog42]

Publicado originalmente por XIII:

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Oh no theres nothing wrong with asking basic questions^^

I don't get if you were being ironic or not. Nevertheless, thanks for the advice!

[Delta Dagger]

Publicado originalmente por Irongamer202:

Wow you guys are fast...

I see the MiG-21 and MiG-19 are fast at the cost of maneuverability.

What about guns? I-16 or MiG-15?

Maneuverability is very much a relative term, here. I used to own a share in a MiG-15 IRL that was under-restoration, so I got pretty well acquainted with its performance. A MiG-15 is pretty damn nimble, it can turn inside a 19 or 21. But, a 19 or 21 can accelerate away a lot easier and that means a lot for a gun-fighter as your window to shoot is going to be oppressively small.

19 and 21 also possess expanded air-to-ground capabilities. Especially the 21.

Honestly, XIII has the right idea. Go exploit the crap out of the trials. You get like two weeks, I think? You'll definitely get a feel for aircraft in that time. Because, really? I'm biased here since I love MiGs but I recommend 19 and 21 so much, 15 to a lesser degree since it does have some issues but it's still fun to fly.

So, my expanded recommendation? Do what XIII says and trial them. After you've tried all 3, build yourself a quick list of which you liked most in descending order. 1 gets the priority to purchase, then 2 and 3 can wait for sales.

[XIII]

Publicado originalmente por Irongamer202:

I don't get if you were being ironic or not. Nevertheless, thanks for the advice!

Oh that was ment entirely serious. Sometimes people dont ask questions because they are afraid to look stupid.

Especially fighter aircraft are very complicated, its really hard to get an understanding of what an aircraft is truly capable off. Takes learning a planes quirks.

Publicado originalmente por MiG-21bis Fishbed-L:

I'm biased here since I love MiGs but I recommend 19 and 21 so much, 15 to a lesser degree since it does have some issues but it's still fun to fly.

You like the Mig-21, im so shocked :^)

Im not the biggest fan of soviet planes, normally, but I have to admit the Mig-21 and how damn cool and versatile it is really took me by surprise.
Especially because its an interceptor that somehow is still quite agile if you hit the afterburner. Dogfights using early heatseekers was so fun to me.

Cant wait for the F-4E, feels like that thing is gonna be like 2 migs strapped together and with the most advanced primitive cold war tech!

[FreakyFrog42]

Thank you all very much, you are a wonderful community. I'll do the trials and then decide.