How do I get in to my jet?

[Cry Warhead]

Ctrl + J does not work.
The cabin opens, but that's it.
DCS version open beta

[TequilaZaire]

Първоначално публикувано от Cry Warhead:

I use a free J-20X mod which unfortunately doesn't include missions like cold_start.miz or anything else.

Mods are not meant for new players. Mods are for those who are already familiar with DCS and how to find the videos and documentation needed for them OR apply what they know from other modules. It's STRONGLY encouraged not to use ANY mods until you have a strong understanding of amore fully featured module. You're only going to frustrate yourself using mods.

That's what it's all about for me, I just want to get into my jet, which is in the hanger.
I can deal with the editor later, but not from day 1.

As I wrote above, mods are not meant for new players. Buy one of the more popular modules that catch your eye and start there. If you want to fly modern aircraft the F-18 is a great start and you can do a wide array for Air to Air and Air to Ground missions along with a lot of tutorial missions.

Yes, I had played flanker 2.0 & 2.5 in the past in 1999, and I didn't have the same problems there as with DCS.
I realize that, but DCS itself isn't very user-friendly.
I can't say anything bad about the graphics and performance, with the open beta version and that with my 10-year-old legacy high-end system from 2013.


It's not DCS that's the issue here; you're essentially trying to use an advanced feature made by seasoned players that isn't meant for new players. DCS is a platform for the aircraft you see featured, so you are FAR better off with a retail module or one of the free modules that come with DCS as a starting point. Avoid mods until well in the future. There are dozens of videos for the more popular aircraft you can watch and learn from also along with the community forums.


As for my review, this one comes from frustration and feeling left alone by the game.
Because of the module support, according to the DCS main page, many modules there say that they are not Steam compatible.

DCS standalone and DCS steam are the same, except for a few key things. Because of updates made a while back, modules bought on the DCS store cannot be activated on DCS steam. That's what it means about not being compatible. Some modules get released in a very early state on DCS standalone, but they tend to make their way to DCS Steam pretty quickly these days or when a stable enough release happens.

DCS can be frustrating for sure, but you did end up making it even harder for yourself as a result of using a mod. Avoid the mods, buy a module that attracts your attention, and focus on THAT module alone. I suggested the F-18 above, but go through the modules you see now on sale and watch some youtube videos on them to get an idea of what you're in for. DCS is deeply rewarding when you start off on the right foot.

[Troll Norris]

Първоначално публикувано от Cry Warhead:

Because of the module support, according to the DCS main page, many modules there say that they are not Steam compatible.

That means the addons bought out of steam will not work with steam version. But in steam store are the very same addons which are compatibile with steam version.

The reason of that is in the steam policy which don't allow to transfer keys into steam client.

See: F-16C for non-steam:
https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/viper/¨

F-16C for steam:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1090850/DCS_F16C_Viper/

Those are exact same. The only difference is in DRM.

[sergio.e.samayoa]

Looks like this game is not for you pal, either accept the LONG road to learn DCS or go for arcade games such "Ace Combat 7" or alike.

Even if DCS is announced as GAME actually is a SIMULATOR, there is an US Air Force A-10 squadron which uses DCS for training!

[JBM]

Just gonna throw my two cents in here:

OP, your mistake is a common one. That's referring to DCS as a "game." We've all done it when talking about simulators, and that's because many simulator titles tend to have arcade-y type control elements and physics.

DCS is in a league of it's own. It's the closest thing you'll experience to flying the real aircraft. You must spend time reading the extensive manuals which come with your chosen aircraft. But believe me when I say it will result in one of the most rewarding simulation experiences you can ever have in the comfort of your own home.

If you feel you want to give DCS a fair trial, but find the high fidelity aircraft too intimidating, you could try starting out with aircraft from the Flaming Cliffs DLC. They are available individually for a few bucks at the moment while the sale is on, and their simplified controls might give you the starting point you're looking for. They're much more basic than the fully clickable models, and are therefore more beginner friendly.

As others have said, it might well be that this genre is not for you. But if it's a genuine flight/combat simulation you're looking for, you won't regret spending time with the manuals. The learning curve is steep, but the results are well worth it!

[Gunfreak]

You definitely don't "MUST" read the manual.
YouTube vidoes, and other online guides are perfectly fine.
This isn't a 5 million dollar training simulator even if some DCS people thinks it is.

If you can fly a plane in any flight game/sim you can fly and plane in DCS.

Stick forward, stick back, stick to the sides does the same in all plane. It's just about learning how much stick and throttle each plane needs.

The rest learning buttons. Some planes have lots of buttons some have less buttons.

No need to overhype DCS into something unfathomable that needs a masters to get.

[JBM]

Първоначално публикувано от Gunfreak:

You definitely don't "MUST" read the manual.
YouTube vidoes, and other online guides are perfectly fine.
This isn't a 5 million dollar training simulator even if some DCS people thinks it is.

If you can fly a plane in any flight game/sim you can fly and plane in DCS.

Stick forward, stick back, stick to the sides does the same in all plane. It's just about learning how much stick and throttle each plane needs.

The rest learning buttons. Some planes have lots of buttons some have less buttons.

No need to overhype DCS into something unfathomable that needs a masters to get.

You've gone journalistic on my comment. That's fine if you feel that way. I'm not gonna get into a pathetic argument about which sim is better than the other. Each to their own.

You seem to forget though that DCS aircraft have a vast number of systems you need to learn to be able to use them. Flying the aircraft is the tip of the iceberg. It doesn't start and end with flight systems as you seem to think.

[Troll Norris]

Yes, Modern aircrafts are flying platforms. How to fly is the first thing you need to know but will not help you to use the weapon. That's why for example the Harrier have around 60 tutorial missions to explain all its systems.

[Undead Rufus]

Първоначално публикувано от JBM:

Първоначално публикувано от Gunfreak:

You definitely don't "MUST" read the manual.
YouTube vidoes, and other online guides are perfectly fine.
This isn't a 5 million dollar training simulator even if some DCS people thinks it is.

If you can fly a plane in any flight game/sim you can fly and plane in DCS.

Stick forward, stick back, stick to the sides does the same in all plane. It's just about learning how much stick and throttle each plane needs.

The rest learning buttons. Some planes have lots of buttons some have less buttons.

No need to overhype DCS into something unfathomable that needs a masters to get.

You've gone journalistic on my comment. That's fine if you feel that way. I'm not gonna get into a pathetic argument about which sim is better than the other. Each to their own.

You seem to forget though that DCS aircraft have a vast number of systems you need to learn to be able to use them. Flying the aircraft is the tip of the iceberg. It doesn't start and end with flight systems as you seem to think.

It's not about "which sim is better." DCS is arguably the best military-oriented flight sim on the civilian market. However, it is still, in fact, a freaking game. You don't need to soak your head in the official documentation in order to learn how to play. Some people learn visually or by example, or otherwise don't want to spend time reading manuals, and that's fine.

[JBM]

Първоначално публикувано от Undead Rufus:

Some people learn visually or by example, or otherwise don't want to spend time reading manuals, and that's fine.

No-one said it wasn't.

[Troll Norris]

I think your rant is missing the point. The OP thought the "STEAM Incompatible" written in ED store means that addons are not compatibile with Steam version. Which is true, but not for addons bought in Steam store. That's all.

The Topic was asking about info for unofficial mod. It already was answered.

[JBM]

Първоначално публикувано от Troll Norris:

I think your rant is missing the point. The OP thought the "STEAM Incompatible" written in ED store means that addons are not compatibile with Steam version. Which is true, but not for addons bought in Steam store. That's all.

Who are you replying to, Norris?

[spike2071]

The devs themselves call it a game:

"Digital Combat Simulator World (DCS World) 2.7 is a free-to-play digital battlefield game and simulation environment."

[Cry Warhead]

Hello, Comrades, everything is cool, everyone, keep calm.

I found the bug why DCS is only responding to half of my keyboard input.
I have an English language operating system with a QWERTZ keyboard and it is not recognized as such by DCS in the game.

Problem fixed by another keyboard (QWERTY) because it is not a Windows problem, but DCS misrecognizes the information of my hardware.
Other users have had the same problem.

About the Mod.

Because the J-20X Mod unfortunately doesn't contain any missions and I don't want to deal with the editor just yet, I'll will switch to another module.

It will then be the JF-17 Thunder from Deka Ironwork Simulations, which should be almost complete.

And I'm not a complete novice, I had played Flanker 2.0 back in 1999, and Eagle Dynamics is not a blank slate for me.

[JBM]

Първоначално публикувано от Cry Warhead:

Hello, Comrades, everything is cool, everyone, keep calm.

I found the bug why DCS is only responding to half of my keyboard input.
I have an English language operating system with a QWERTZ keyboard and it is not recognized as such by DCS in the game.

Problem fixed by another keyboard (QWERTY) because it is not a Windows problem, but DCS misrecognizes the information of my hardware.
Other users have had the same problem.

About the Mod.

Because the J-20X Mod unfortunately doesn't contain any missions and I don't want to deal with the editor just yet, I'll will switch to another module.

It will then be the JF-17 Thunder from Deka Ironwork Simulations, which should be almost complete.

And I'm not a complete novice, I had played Flanker 2.0 back in 1999, and Eagle Dynamics is not a blank slate for me.

Good to hear you've fixed the problem. Happy flying!

[Undead Rufus]

Първоначално публикувано от JBM:

Първоначално публикувано от Undead Rufus:

Some people learn visually or by example, or otherwise don't want to spend time reading manuals, and that's fine.

No-one said it wasn't.

No, you just put the "must" of "must spend time reading" in boldface, and you said calling DCS a game is a "mistake."