A-10a better than su-25t?

[Newshot]

As far as ground attacks, is the a-10a a upgrade from the su-25t?

[fearlessfrog]

Similar for sure, as it would come down to AGM-65's vs Vikhr's.

The Su-25T does have the Kh-25MLU, which is often used in DCS in the SEAD role. I wouldn't want to try that in an A-10A against a SA-15.

[Chameleon_Silk]

depends on definition

for raw killing power Su-25T has it beat, same with overall agility of the aircraft and speed, it can also do SEAD and night time capability... not sure if A-10A can do night missions effectively.

the A-10A has mavericks that can shoot a bit further then a vikhr with absolute best launch conditions however that won't always be the case, the one benefit it has over the vikhr is fire and forget.

so A-10A has fire and forget weapon so by that definition it is superior. but wait the Su-25T can drop a KAB-500KR using visual targeting at really good ranges and thats also fire and forget but also only works in daytime and good visibility.

honestly, both are capable at their role just depends on your style and pilot skill.

[Newshot]

Thanks guys. I'll probably just stick with the su-25t for now.

[Overparduffer]

If I'm not mistaken the SU-25T's sensors can also zoom in more than the A-10A's which can help pick up targets further out. SU-25T does have one fire and forget missile but it's too big to carry many.

[Chameleon_Silk]

Originally posted by Overparduffer:

If I'm not mistaken the SU-25T's sensors can also zoom in more than the A-10A's which can help pick up targets further out. SU-25T does have one fire and forget missile but it's too big to carry many.

ya for sure A-10A has standoff capability with maverick but it lacks a TGP pod, so inspecting an area is harder.

the missile you mean is the Kh-29T, like the KAB-500KR its an optical weapon that can't be used in low light but is also a fire and forget (actually the biggest fire and forget weapon a player can use in the game) it can destroy buildings in a single hit and longest range of them all, the Kh-29L is the laser version... however the range is reduced because of the limitation of the laser on the Su-25T, but thats another story for another time.

=)

[Newshot]

Sounds like I would have to move up to the a-10c to get a upgrade. I don't really want to fly the a-10 for that money. I'll just have to get good with spotting targets with the Skhval.

[Blinky]

The A-10A can fire more missils in a single pass and swtich to guns very easily to mop up any left overs. However I find over all sensors and optics in the SU-25T are better. you have a better variety of weapons so you have a larger role to play on the battle field. Not totally accurate saying this but the A-10A is more of a tank killer and the SU-25T is more of a Multi-role attack aircraft.

Also I find in Urban areas the SU-25T is easier to target contacts. The A-10A you have to fight a little to target the correct contact so I just use guns or spend awhile working out the correct attack approach to get a lock.

[Goldham]

The 25A and T also have in general better unguided capabilities, so re attack is much quicker compared to the guided munitions of the A-10.

[Chameleon_Silk]

well A-10A can drop bombs nicely too, I would argue that Su-25 flying faster has better range on the bomb drop tho.

[Falconpolat]

forget about a10a just buy a10c

[Integrals]

Originally posted by Blinky:

Also I find in Urban areas the SU-25T is easier to target contacts. The A-10A you have to fight a little to target the correct contact so I just use guns or spend awhile working out the correct attack approach to get a lock.

In my experience with the A-10A its AGM-65s will lock onto literally everything but the thing you want to shoot them at. If there is a trick to it I haven't found it yet.

[udidwht]

Ask anyone who's been on the opposing end of the A-10 during an engagement. Oh wait....you can't they are all dead. The SU-25 has not seen the extensive use under real world combat conditions that the A-10 has.

Easy answer....A-10

[Chameleon_Silk]

Originally posted by Udidwht:

Ask anyone who's been on the opposing end of the A-10 during an engagement. Oh wait....you can't they are all dead. The SU-25 has not seen the extensive use under real world combat conditions that the A-10 has.

Easy answer....A-10

That's a very untrue statement if I've ever seen one!

from wikipedia: "The type has seen combat in several conflicts during its more than 30 years in service. It was heavily involved in the Soviet war in Afghanistan, flying counter-insurgency missions against the Mujahideen. The Iraqi Air Force employed Su-25s against Iran during the 1980–88 Iran–Iraq War. Most were later destroyed or flown to Iran in the 1991 Persian Gulf War. Abkhazian separatists used Su-25s during the Abkhazian War from 1992 to 1993. The Macedonian Air Force used Su-25s against Albanian insurgents in the 2001 Macedonia conflict and, in 2008, Georgia and Russia both used Su-25s in the Russo-Georgian War. African states, including the Ivory Coast, Chad, and Sudan have used the Su-25 in local insurgencies and civil wars. Recently the Su-25 has seen service in the Russian intervention in the Syrian Civil War."

you must also consider that we have in DCS, the most advanced version of the A-10 modelled while we do not have the most sophisticated Su-25. The limited production Tankovy line were only 3 prototypes and 8 production aircraft which makes the fact that we get that one modelled, pretty awesome. The more sophisticated 2nd gen tankovy (Su-39) or the Su-25SM we don't get to fly which would have given us the ability to fire Kh-29 and Kh-25ML's at multiple targets in a single pass.

It's fine to compare the grach to the thunderbolt II but dont try and put it down because its not as upgraded or as good. both airframes are damned capable and production numbers similar I think its like 1k to 700ish. I've flown both in DCS World and they are both very decent at what they do its clear to see. The Su-25 has been around for 38 years and the fact that both aircraft have been around this long should say something about them.

[Sandy]

Originally posted by Udidwht:

Ask anyone who's been on the opposing end of the A-10 during an engagement. Oh wait....you can't they are all dead. The SU-25 has not seen the extensive use under real world combat conditions that the A-10 has.

You mean insurgents who never really had advanced AA weapons to fight back with?

The A-10 having flown a gazillion counter-insurgency missions during the 2000s does not make Su-25's combat history "limited". It's easy to rack up kills with ground attack aircraft when you have air supremacy.

[udidwht]

Originally posted by Sandy:

Originally posted by Udidwht:

Ask anyone who's been on the opposing end of the A-10 during an engagement. Oh wait....you can't they are all dead. The SU-25 has not seen the extensive use under real world combat conditions that the A-10 has.

You mean insurgents who never really had advanced AA weapons to fight back with?

The A-10 having flown a gazillion counter-insurgency missions during the 2000s does not make Su-25's combat history "limited". It's easy to rack up kills with ground attack aircraft when you have air supremacy.

Makes no difference. The A-10's survivability rate reigns supreme. Many well known documented cases prove this. It's history dates back further than mentioned..