Using FaceTrackNoIR with clickable cockpit. HELP!

[chvartzi]

So I've been using FaceTrackNoIR for quite a while and the biggest problem I have is clicking the cockpit because as much as your head is steady your camera is still "shaking" a little, but still enough to make clicking switches very difficult (because your cursor moves with your camera).
Now.. I did manage to find on the internet somebody saying that there is an option in DCS settings, specifically in VR tab,"Use mouse" and when you check that, it supposed to make your cursor stick with panels not your camera. Unfortunately it doesn't work for me.

Can I make that work with FaceTrackNoIR?

[Freak]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Emme:

That would b really dumb Hadji, and I doubt you'd do that! C'mon guys like you need to come here to forums and tell people how much money you have spent on high end gear. I mean at least that's all you were doing here. And you're trying to point a finger at me and curse me as a liar only because I say things that you don't want to hear? Hadji for real, it's you not me! Why don't you tell us more about how good of a virtual pilot u are? I know you feel so much comfortable with it, just ignoring the fact that I bet in real life you're a very sad and lonely guy who has nothing but his flight sim.
Okay could be terribly wrong with that, but anyways at least it could b possible!

Yes I'm offending. Because you are. That's why you claim that I'm the boogey man in here. But I wanna ask you. Can you even be seriously, any chances on that? Are you someone who wants just a little respect for his human beeing? You make it very difficult for me with your childish ignorance. Yes it looks like I'm the bad guy because I say things that you don't want to hear with all your Warthog's and TrackIR's. It's like buying a Mazda or a Mercedes, which one is better? Of course it's the Mercedes but what if the Mazda could probably drive? Whenever you have the time, think about that brotha'!

But let me tell you again, guys like you are the cancer of every sim game out there. And it's you who's to prove anything else.

And I'm not making the video for you, because you're someone who only sees what he wants to see. I know even if I'd bring a total blast to your brains with this video, no one of you would say.
"Well ok Emme, somehow I was wrong about Facetracknoir. Never thought you can get such a performance out of it." And I won't get my chance to say "I told you that".
So there's really no winner out of this situation.
Oh and btw recordings are done, so stay tuned!

Oh dude.

I am old and a smoker! 60 a day when I was serving as an infantry soldier in the British Army! and could easily have a diagnosis of cancer! But that just shows your ignorance!

I look forward to seeing your video of your inferior software working!

Would you like me too make a video of how well TrackIR works?

[Emme]

The cancer thing was just a methaphor. And yes I do know I'm a freakin' a**hole.
But anyways yes please do that video!
I did a quick ramp start of the F16 in BMS and a little flyaround. If you could do something similar it would be perfect! Going to convert and will then upload the video for yt.

[Freak]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Emme:

The cancer thing was just a methaphor. And yes I do know I'm a freakin' a**hole.
But anyways yes please do that video!
I did a quick ramp start of the F16 in BMS and a little flyaround. If you could do something similar it would be perfect! Going to convert and will then upload the video for yt.

Buddy.....With all due respect, but you are talking about using Facetrack with a mod for Falcon 4 which was made in 1998! Neither GPU or CPU intensive, no matter how many mods you shove up it's ar se!

I am running a 5yr old PC now (See my profile page) with the exception of the 980 Ti which I upgraded from 2 x 680's in SLi.

You choose the sim you wish me to record with TrackIr.

DCS World 1.5

DCS World 2.0 Alpha

IL2: Battle of Stalingrad/Moscow

Rise of Flight

P3D

MS Flight Sim X

? You choose! It works flawlessly! And it was worth every penny!

[Emme]

First off BMS at version 4.33u1 is brand new and the textures with full shadows can melt through a actual high-medium system when everything is turned on. But I can also make a DCS video but not now. I get same results in DCS as I have in BMS. But I only own FC3 aircrafts here because I play BMS for full sim. But I'll do a DCS video, too. I don't mind track any game you want. Video is uploaded next post will be the link. DCS video will be full hd tomorrow.

[Emme]

Software v. 2.00 with a logitech c270 cam tracking at a distance of more than a meter.
i5 4690k 4x 3.9Ghz - R9 280X Tri-X OC - 16GB RAM - normal HDD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EUPTW5PtKI&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDil9XDBjHM&feature=youtu.be

Just to mention again I'm sitting away about a meter and maybe a half from the cam so tracking can still be improved. But anyone who says this isn't working is just trolling! I don't see where people had to spend hundreds of € or $. I don't see where this piece of software is useless.

[Hadji]

We never said it isn't working or that it is useless. As a matter of fact I even said it is good as entry level headtracking. This whole debate is about the fact that you claim that DYI headtracking is as good as TrackIR and that the later isn't worth the money it costs.

I have flown flight sims since Falcon 3. Currently I have DCS, Il-2 BoS/BoM, Rise of Flight and P3Dv3 installed. I didn't go out and buy all my flight sim gear at once eventough my paycheck as a CEO would let me. I have upgraded it over time and I haven't stopped that process yet. For me, the expensive gear I use is totally worth it and I am far from alone using it in the DCS community. I didn't buy it for bragging rights but because it is GOOD. And that includes the TrackIR5.

[Emme]

Added video in full hd to my last post.
Tracking with daylight playing DCS online.

Hadji, u can say what you want but there is nothing you can do with TrackIR that I can't do with Facetracknoir. Not a thing!

In my videos you can see that I have no problems with:

- jittering
- clicking buttons
- losing or lack of tracking
- precision
- smoothness or any kind of delay
- no performance hit or bad feedback

There is absolutely no reason to tell guys like the TE they should buy TrackIR instead of helping them with their problems or actual questions! That's what this whole thread became about. And there is absolutely no downside in using this software, except of the thing that you got to fiddle around with it's settings and give your camera good tracking conditions, such as lightning. The "huge" benefit with "tracking" you claim to get from using TrackIR instead, is something I did not experience, back when I had the chance to try TrackIR5 myself.

[Emme]

Now let me show you how quoting works without bringing the spoken off it's sentence.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 1./ZG1_El Hadji:

We never said it isn't working or that it is useless.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Chameleon_Silk:

this is another reason I don't believe people who say facetracknoIR works well, what is your defintion of work well? constant shaking, inability to push cockpit buttons and switches or the ability for it to lose face half way through a mission and have your neck broken looking at your nuts for the rest of the trip (til you crash into something or veer off over enemy units)

for me facetracknoIR had next to no precision or ability to see my face in my basement, it was like skating on ice backwards blindfolded with a rifle for a hockey stick aka not really close to the real thing.

Just one example of what's been said and I could go on with shoving all the way back through your guys comments... Whenever I tried to told you guys it's just a thing of patience and knowledge you tried to bs on me.

[Hadji]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Emme:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 1./ZG1_El Hadji:

We never said it isn't working or that it is useless.

Now let me show you how quoting works without bringing the spoken off it's sentence.

???

That was exactly what I said. More than once actually. So your point is?

Also, why are you showing a FC3 plane without clickable buttons in your demo video? The whole point of this thread is that point and click is difficult when using FaceTrackNoir. And for the love of God... Don't tell me that video shows your version of smooth headtracking?

[Emme]

Oh man Hadji, you won't see what's infornt of you if it touches your nose. Sorry but maybe you should get a computer that is even thinking for you! I'm asking myself if I should break this down for you? Could be that english is not your native language then I could understand that it's hard for you to understand... Could be trolling. I don't know. Anyways no more comments on quotes. xD

Well I told u that I only fly FC3 aircrafts in DCS world that's why I made a Falcon BMS video where you see me clicking cockpit buttons. And you've seen the DCS video so why should I have any problems clicking buttons there, too.?

Where was the duct tape?
Tell me where did you see me having problems with jitter or disconnected tracking? Where did I lose center or something? Where do you see that? The small lag spikes I get from playing online on a 130+ latency server? Not to mention my old HDD and mid class hardware? Where did you see the "non smoothness" can you even watch a video and feel the feedback that I get from my inputs? Are you a magician Hadji? Recognized the shaking from the cockpit forces or the ingame function that is simulating head bobbing? Well that's the games engine not Facetracknoir. So were my videos not to your liking? What are you missing?

Tell me what you can do with TrackIR that I can't do with Facetracknoir? Tell me! Or show a video or something !

[Chameleon_Silk]

Emme by now maybe you should realize that the rest of us have no where near as good results.

I'm not bashing it because it doesn't work well, for me it basically didn't work at all.

you do realize that you might just have a brick shaped rectangular dome and maybe it has easy peasy time following your gigantic head that houses that super computer of yours.

in all honesty take a freekin chill pill, when i used it, it would literally lose my face and make me wig out in the cockpit.... no amount of adjusting the curves would make its algorithm see the bloody shape of my face any better... as i said maybe highlighting it in red lipstick, I wonder if trackIR came with some lipstick. backlighting helped the most obviously... since it can see things better. you know cause its optical not IR.

I've gone over what actually effects performance in a post before, instead you insist that all size fits all and its gotta be the curves it definetly couldn't be another variable like someones face! considering what it does.... cmon man.

[=AiR FORCE=]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Chameleon_Silk:

you do realize that you might just have a brick shaped rectangular dome and maybe it has easy peasy time following your gigantic head that houses that super computer of yours.
...
no amount of adjusting the curves would make its algorithm see the bloody shape of my face any better... as i said maybe highlighting it in red lipstick, I wonder if trackIR came with some lipstick.

ROTFLMFAO!!!

[Emme]

Funny thumbs high on that one.

About the lipstick... did you muddle up the camera with a gloryhole when trying to get a track on? Technically still sounds like your fault. Or do you really think I believe that a camera would say just "no stop!" to you? C'mon man THAT is nonsense! But enough of that, your experience isn't mine and otherwise. Maybe you've been using a very old version. Whatever.

Now, after all the exchanging of our hidden and dirty desires we all got to a point at which one we know of each other. So there's no more barriers in between us right?
Any chances on getting an answer to my question of what you can do with TrackIR that I can't with Facetrack?

Is it like you guys don't have balls enough to just say "okay I don't see much of a difference from my TrackIR experiences compared to these videos" or what is the problem in laying down your cards? Or are you enjoying the whole conversation? I bet you like it and Hadji, too! Huh? And still no comparison video from FreakUK. Are you doing well, sir?

[Chameleon_Silk]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Emme:

Any chances on getting an answer to my question of what you can do with TrackIR that I can't with Facetrack?

Yea look at a switch and flick it, I noticed you were flying non-clicky pits which is not what the OP is asking for help with.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Emme:

About the lipstick... did you muddle up the camera with a gloryhole when trying to get a track on?

see you think its a joke but its not, I'm saying that anything that would outline my face better (because it was getting confused when i turned my head where my eyes and jaw outline were going) would improve the tracking drastically... remember who is actually insulting who here... and then turning around like they are an angel. ridiculous and not very mature. I mean pretty sad when I'm wondering if your a troll for real or just dense.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Emme:

no performance hit or bad feedback

I did not see any scientific test of fps during or before or do you just eyeball it? double facepalm.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Emme:

smoothness or any kind of delay

depends on the speed of the capture but there is definetly a slight input delay, maybe you see the world as slow as the input delay.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Emme:

clicking buttons

you didn't click any buttons in your F-15.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Emme:

jittering

curves can definetly help this for sure but we already went over why it might not jitter with your head versus someone elses, at this point i'm wondering if you shouldn't sit a few feet back so your head can fit in the frame.

and if you think it can't ever lose track of what its looking at, tell that to the google car that drove into the side of a big rig!

[Bassemann87]

Emme, your videos does not prove that your right at all. the tracking are not as good as trackir5 and we where talking of Modules with clickable cockpit not FC3.

and Emme, Get a life!