Opinions on the Jeff? (JF-17)

[Sparky]

I'm pretty new to this game with just over 30 hours (mostly in the SU-27), and I've been looking around at the high fidelity aircraft to see what one I want. The JF-17 seems pretty great with its 3 massive displays and the ability to do both CAS and air to air. Plus it's not an f14/15/16 (no shade, it's just that they're everywhere).

So it looks pretty unique and well-rounded as a multi-role fighter, but I've never seen anybody play it. What are your guys' thoughts on it?

[SSerponi76]

Nice plane, really sophisticated but easy to learn and use. It has one of the best turn rates of the whole bgame but it lacks a HMCS device. It still in EA and the official documentation is really poor so better use the Chuck's Guide (as usual): https://www.mudspike.com/chucks-guides-dcs-jf-17-thunder/

[Sparky]

Początkowo opublikowane przez SSerponi76:

Nice plane, really sophisticated but easy to learn and use. It has one of the best turn rates of the whole bgame but it lacks a HMCS device. It still in EA and the official documentation is really poor so better use the Chuck's Guide (as usual): https://www.mudspike.com/chucks-guides-dcs-jf-17-thunder/

HMCS device?

[Crossbone]

I like it a lot, it does a bit of everything but with a more limited payload so don't expect to carry 6 air to ground or 10 air to air missiles, it can carry cruise missiles, gliding bombs and laser guided rockets which are actually pretty fun to use also imo best RWR system in game you can easily tell friends from foes.


bonus: the computer voice is kinda cute not gonna lie

[SSerponi76]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez SSerponi76:

Nice plane, really sophisticated but easy to learn and use. It has one of the best turn rates of the whole bgame but it lacks a HMCS device. It still in EA and the official documentation is really poor so better use the Chuck's Guide (as usual): https://www.mudspike.com/chucks-guides-dcs-jf-17-thunder/

HMCS device?

HMCS, JHMCS, HMDS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmet-mounted_display
Techical "mumbo jumbo" for a visor integrated into the pilot helmet.

[Sparky]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez +Sparky-:

HMCS device?

HMCS, JHMCS, HMDS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmet-mounted_display
Techical "mumbo jumbo" for a visor integrated into the pilot helmet.

ahhhh ok

[똑똑한]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Slithy:

On the server I frequent there is a guy who plays nothing but the JF-17 and he does pretty well for himself. F-16 has better air-to-ground capabilities (CBU-105s are a joy) but the JF-17 has a fairly good arsenal and can do anti-ship as well. If I had to choose between the F-16 and the JF-17 I'd pick the F-16 every day of the week, but the JF-17 is capable.

Jeff is actually significantly better at A2G than the F16, theres really no comparison besides the Viper's ability to carry 6 mavs or (later) Harm pod and significantly larger range.

The GB6 SFW is (basically) a glide bomb variant of the Viper's CBU 105 with a lot of range and a ridiculous amount of firepower. Jeff also carries BRMs, which are essentially chinese APKWS (except far more per pod and more accurate/powerful ingame), has anti-ship capabilities and has a superior targeting pod and interface.

[Snork]

The JF-17 may be in EA, but when you compare its current level of completion to any other current EA jet, it's basically a minor miracle.

People say it's in EA, but there's not a single high demand feature that people are waiting on and bugs are minor and far between.

If anything, it's that they're working on making features from block 3 available (AESA radar, more powerful engine and the head mounted targeting mentioned above). And unless I'm mistaken, the largest of all things still in progress is the campaign. Though I'm not sure it hasn't been finished while I was otherwise engaged.

The way the controls are laid out in it, it's so intuitive that it makes even the F-16 look kind of old. Every feature is easy to learn and takes minimal pilot work load to employ.

If you were asking about any other jets of a similar role, I'd be forced to spend a good amount of time on caveats regarding state of completion.

Here, besides that I actually just made an enormous post just recently on why the JF-17 is the freaking best.

Note that despite my exuberance for the JF-17, I do also own the A-10 II, F-18, 16 and 14, the mirage, KA-50, viggen, mig 21 and etc etc.

So I'm not speaking as someone who is defending their decision to make it their only aircraft or anything. I only have so much praise for it because I own all of those other ones - and while I have a good time using them on occasion, the JF is the only one that could fill the role of daily driver due to the sheer fun of using it and it's capable of being a top tier contender in any given mission parameters

I'd like to think someone asking your question would appreciate how thorough it is.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/223750/discussions/0/2954915322325286611/

If I'm not mistaken, besides its fantabulous features - it's also chronologically one the very most recent aircraft modeled in the game.

Also, given it's a totally unique design that is neither American nor Russian, it makes it kind of a unicorn. Besides that one, every other aircraft is either going to be hardcore USA or hardcore USSR.

The JF-17 however is Chinese/Pakistani though much moreso chinese (all of it's guided weaponry is chinese, as is the radar etc)

But in being chinese, it's even more rare because china has spent so long mostly just making licensed or unlicensed copies of Russian military aircraft, whereas the JF-17 is a completely independent project designed from the ground up to be totally independent.

Design wise, it's like if Mig-21 and an F-16 had a baby. It has less engine power than the F-16, but it has way more technology and given how much newer it is, the pilots controls and workload are SUPER automated and easy to employ.

I was able to launch a cruise missile, have it run a circle of check points and then hit a very small naval vessel dead center within ten minutes of the very first time I got it into the air.

Never seen anything so streamlined.

Also, it has russian/chinese aggression sensibility but it has American styling when it comes to its ability to operate without guidance and to essentially self administer its mission mid flight.

Finally I can't rave enough about the chinese beyond visual range missiles (think competition for the AIM-120).

Firing the chinese missile and the American 120c at exactly the same time found that the chinese missile could not only match it for range but when said missile arrived at its target - the chinese missile was going one entire mach faster than the american one due to vastly more intelligent flight pathing (the chinese missile upon confirming a target at the edge of its envelope, immediately points itself damn near straight up using its first burst of fuel to get itself to where the atmosphere is ultra thin - saving fuel and speed due to less air resistance. And along with conserving fuel, it uses its initial burst of altitude to accelerate it up to interception speed just prior to reaching its target.

The fact that it's still moving at Mach 1.7 while the AMRAAM was sitting at Mach .7 makes it unbelievably impressive.

However despite all of its fancy newness, the JF-17 definitely has major flaws when it comes to its total weapons bay capacity which is much smaller than something like the F-18 and the engine being on the slower side. However the aircraft itself is very small, which helps mitigate it.

Bottom line JF-17 is the single best aircraft for any newcomer who is eager to jump right into a full fidelity module and most importantly, for someone who is most excited by technology that's cutting edge. Also easy as hell to learn, easy to fly and able to do all of that complex sensor suite business any newer jet can manage. The cockpit is just so clean and modern looking, with the vast majority of functions so well designed that you don't even need a manual to employ them.

Finally, the JF-17 module available for DCS is 100% functional. Ground avoidance, all radar modes, automated SAM search+kill features - ability to use every kind of targeting pod, capable of lasing its own targets - employing GPS guided weaponry.

ALSO it has MAN IN THE LOOP CRUISE MISSILES. You heard that right. Once the missile detects that it's on its final approach it sends a signal back to the jet along with a video feed and you can guide it on the whole final leg of its journey via a remarkably clear and easy to read video feed. It also has all kinds of FLIR/targeting pod night attack capabilities.

It may not be the most deadly thing in the air, but flying it feels a hell of a lot like driving an aston martin with wings. Super comfortable, every feature perfectly made - every panel and control exactly where you'd expect them to be intuitively.

I honestly can't rave enough. It's 1000% objectively the best value for the money for anyone looking for a air superiority type jet that can do any mission from engaging ships with its anti ship cruise missiles, to close air support with rocket pods or GPS guided bombs and finally of course simple combat air patrol, air superiority with the most modern weapons our largest adversary has to offer.

That's all!

Something that can't be said for any of the other modern fighter jets available regardless of home nation.

[Sparky]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Snork:

The JF-17 may be in EA, but when you compare its current level of completion to any other current EA jet, it's basically a minor miracle.

People say it's in EA, but there's not a single high demand feature that people are waiting on and bugs are minor and far between.

If anything, it's that they're working on making features from block 3 available (AESA radar, more powerful engine and the head mounted targeting mentioned above). And unless I'm mistaken, the largest of all things still in progress is the campaign. Though I'm not sure it hasn't been finished while I was otherwise engaged.

The way the controls are laid out in it, it's so intuitive that it makes even the F-16 look kind of old. Every feature is easy to learn and takes minimal pilot work load to employ.

If you were asking about any other jets of a similar role, I'd be forced to spend a good amount of time on caveats regarding state of completion.

Here, besides that I actually just made an enormous post just recently on why the JF-17 is the freaking best.

Note that despite my exuberance for the JF-17, I do also own the A-10 II, F-18, 16 and 14, the mirage, KA-50, viggen, mig 21 and etc etc.

So I'm not speaking as someone who is defending their decision to make it their only aircraft or anything. I only have so much praise for it because I own all of those other ones - and while I have a good time using them on occasion, the JF is the only one that could fill the role of daily driver due to the sheer fun of using it and it's capable of being a top tier contender in any given mission parameters

I'd like to think someone asking your question would appreciate how thorough it is.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/223750/discussions/0/2954915322325286611/

If I'm not mistaken, besides its fantabulous features - it's also chronologically one the very most recent aircraft modeled in the game.

Also, given it's a totally unique design that is neither American nor Russian, it makes it kind of a unicorn. Besides that one, every other aircraft is either going to be hardcore USA or hardcore USSR.

The JF-17 however is Chinese/Pakistani though much moreso chinese (all of it's guided weaponry is chinese, as is the radar etc)

But in being chinese, it's even more rare because china has spent so long mostly just making licensed or unlicensed copies of Russian military aircraft, whereas the JF-17 is a completely independent project designed from the ground up to be totally independent.

Design wise, it's like if Mig-21 and an F-16 had a baby. It has less engine power than the F-16, but it has way more technology and given how much newer it is, the pilots controls and workload are SUPER automated and easy to employ.

I was able to launch a cruise missile, have it run a circle of check points and then hit a very small naval vessel dead center within ten minutes of the very first time I got it into the air.

Never seen anything so streamlined.

Also, it has russian/chinese aggression sensibility but it has American styling when it comes to its ability to operate without guidance and to essentially self administer its mission mid flight.

Finally I can't rave enough about the chinese beyond visual range missiles (think competition for the AIM-120).

Firing the chinese missile and the American 120c at exactly the same time found that the chinese missile could not only match it for range but when said missile arrived at its target - the chinese missile was going one entire mach faster than the american one due to vastly more intelligent flight pathing (the chinese missile upon confirming a target at the edge of its envelope, immediately points itself damn near straight up using its first burst of fuel to get itself to where the atmosphere is ultra thin - saving fuel and speed due to less air resistance. And along with conserving fuel, it uses its initial burst of altitude to accelerate it up to interception speed just prior to reaching its target.

The fact that it's still moving at Mach 1.7 while the AMRAAM was sitting at Mach .7 makes it unbelievably impressive.

However despite all of its fancy newness, the JF-17 definitely has major flaws when it comes to its total weapons bay capacity which is much smaller than something like the F-18 and the engine being on the slower side. However the aircraft itself is very small, which helps mitigate it.

Bottom line JF-17 is the single best aircraft for any newcomer who is eager to jump right into a full fidelity module and most importantly, for someone who is most excited by technology that's cutting edge. Also easy as hell to learn, easy to fly and able to do all of that complex sensor suite business any newer jet can manage. The cockpit is just so clean and modern looking, with the vast majority of functions so well designed that you don't even need a manual to employ them.

Finally, the JF-17 module available for DCS is 100% functional. Ground avoidance, all radar modes, automated SAM search+kill features - ability to use every kind of targeting pod, capable of lasing its own targets - employing GPS guided weaponry.

ALSO it has MAN IN THE LOOP CRUISE MISSILES. You heard that right. Once the missile detects that it's on its final approach it sends a signal back to the jet along with a video feed and you can guide it on the whole final leg of its journey via a remarkably clear and easy to read video feed. It also has all kinds of FLIR/targeting pod night attack capabilities.

It may not be the most deadly thing in the air, but flying it feels a hell of a lot like driving an aston martin with wings. Super comfortable, every feature perfectly made - every panel and control exactly where you'd expect them to be intuitively.

I honestly can't rave enough. It's 1000% objectively the best value for the money for anyone looking for a air superiority type jet that can do any mission from engaging ships with its anti ship cruise missiles, to close air support with rocket pods or GPS guided bombs and finally of course simple combat air patrol, air superiority with the most modern weapons our largest adversary has to offer.

That's all!

Something that can't be said for any of the other modern fighter jets available regardless of home nation.

That's a lotta great info, thanks!
I actually had no clue it was an EA plane because it just looks so complete in every video about it.

[cww1964]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Snork:

The JF-17 may be in EA, but when you compare its current level of completion to any other current EA jet, it's basically a minor miracle.

People say it's in EA, but there's not a single high demand feature that people are waiting on and bugs are minor and far between.

If anything, it's that they're working on making features from block 3 available (AESA radar, more powerful engine and the head mounted targeting mentioned above). And unless I'm mistaken, the largest of all things still in progress is the campaign. Though I'm not sure it hasn't been finished while I was otherwise engaged.

The way the controls are laid out in it, it's so intuitive that it makes even the F-16 look kind of old. Every feature is easy to learn and takes minimal pilot work load to employ.

If you were asking about any other jets of a similar role, I'd be forced to spend a good amount of time on caveats regarding state of completion.

Here, besides that I actually just made an enormous post just recently on why the JF-17 is the freaking best.

Note that despite my exuberance for the JF-17, I do also own the A-10 II, F-18, 16 and 14, the mirage, KA-50, viggen, mig 21 and etc etc.

So I'm not speaking as someone who is defending their decision to make it their only aircraft or anything. I only have so much praise for it because I own all of those other ones - and while I have a good time using them on occasion, the JF is the only one that could fill the role of daily driver due to the sheer fun of using it and it's capable of being a top tier contender in any given mission parameters

I'd like to think someone asking your question would appreciate how thorough it is.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/223750/discussions/0/2954915322325286611/

If I'm not mistaken, besides its fantabulous features - it's also chronologically one the very most recent aircraft modeled in the game.

Also, given it's a totally unique design that is neither American nor Russian, it makes it kind of a unicorn. Besides that one, every other aircraft is either going to be hardcore USA or hardcore USSR.

The JF-17 however is Chinese/Pakistani though much moreso chinese (all of it's guided weaponry is chinese, as is the radar etc)

But in being chinese, it's even more rare because china has spent so long mostly just making licensed or unlicensed copies of Russian military aircraft, whereas the JF-17 is a completely independent project designed from the ground up to be totally independent.

Design wise, it's like if Mig-21 and an F-16 had a baby. It has less engine power than the F-16, but it has way more technology and given how much newer it is, the pilots controls and workload are SUPER automated and easy to employ.

I was able to launch a cruise missile, have it run a circle of check points and then hit a very small naval vessel dead center within ten minutes of the very first time I got it into the air.

Never seen anything so streamlined.

Also, it has russian/chinese aggression sensibility but it has American styling when it comes to its ability to operate without guidance and to essentially self administer its mission mid flight.

Finally I can't rave enough about the chinese beyond visual range missiles (think competition for the AIM-120).

Firing the chinese missile and the American 120c at exactly the same time found that the chinese missile could not only match it for range but when said missile arrived at its target - the chinese missile was going one entire mach faster than the american one due to vastly more intelligent flight pathing (the chinese missile upon confirming a target at the edge of its envelope, immediately points itself damn near straight up using its first burst of fuel to get itself to where the atmosphere is ultra thin - saving fuel and speed due to less air resistance. And along with conserving fuel, it uses its initial burst of altitude to accelerate it up to interception speed just prior to reaching its target.

The fact that it's still moving at Mach 1.7 while the AMRAAM was sitting at Mach .7 makes it unbelievably impressive.

However despite all of its fancy newness, the JF-17 definitely has major flaws when it comes to its total weapons bay capacity which is much smaller than something like the F-18 and the engine being on the slower side. However the aircraft itself is very small, which helps mitigate it.

Bottom line JF-17 is the single best aircraft for any newcomer who is eager to jump right into a full fidelity module and most importantly, for someone who is most excited by technology that's cutting edge. Also easy as hell to learn, easy to fly and able to do all of that complex sensor suite business any newer jet can manage. The cockpit is just so clean and modern looking, with the vast majority of functions so well designed that you don't even need a manual to employ them.

Finally, the JF-17 module available for DCS is 100% functional. Ground avoidance, all radar modes, automated SAM search+kill features - ability to use every kind of targeting pod, capable of lasing its own targets - employing GPS guided weaponry.

ALSO it has MAN IN THE LOOP CRUISE MISSILES. You heard that right. Once the missile detects that it's on its final approach it sends a signal back to the jet along with a video feed and you can guide it on the whole final leg of its journey via a remarkably clear and easy to read video feed. It also has all kinds of FLIR/targeting pod night attack capabilities.

It may not be the most deadly thing in the air, but flying it feels a hell of a lot like driving an aston martin with wings. Super comfortable, every feature perfectly made - every panel and control exactly where you'd expect them to be intuitively.

I honestly can't rave enough. It's 1000% objectively the best value for the money for anyone looking for a air superiority type jet that can do any mission from engaging ships with its anti ship cruise missiles, to close air support with rocket pods or GPS guided bombs and finally of course simple combat air patrol, air superiority with the most modern weapons our largest adversary has to offer.

That's all!

Something that can't be said for any of the other modern fighter jets available regardless of home nation.

Thanks Snork and all involved with this write up on the 'Jeff'. This will be my next module I will purchase in the near future. :)

[The Cunning Fox (raZoleg)]

I don’t like it: it feels incomplete, like Razbam’s early access mods, the textures feel too “shiny” and new, the whole plane is based on PRC official data, so might as well fly a UFO. Completely disagree with it being a “minor miracle”. It’s an ad for PRC-made planes, and a bad one at that.

Also, flying with only MFDs is a nightmare.

[van Leeuwenhoek's mustache]

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and has a superior targeting pod and interface

The WMD7 pod isn't superior to the Litening AT, quite the contrary.
It has inferior magnification, much shorter ground stabilization range and it tends to mess point tracks when there are a bunch of targets clustered together.

The Jeff's MFCDs, however, are really nice, offering larger images and better quality.
It's the viper's MFDs that suck, not the Litening AT 😅.

But sure, I agree that jeff has a wider selection of awesome standoff weapons... problem is that they get intercepted now.

[The Cunning Fox (raZoleg)]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez 똑똑한:

and has a superior targeting pod and interface

The WMD7 pod isn't superior to the Litening AT, quite the contrary.
It has inferior magnification, much shorter ground stabilization range and it tends to mess point tracks when there are a bunch of targets clustered together.

The Jeff's MFCDs, however, are really nice, offering larger images and better quality.
It's the viper's MFDs that suck, not the Litening AT 😅.

But sure, I agree that jeff has a wider selection of awesome standoff weapons... problem is that they get intercepted now.

Except those MFD’s on 17 are absolutely unreliable in real life and turn off due to excessive shaking.

This is the Phoenix missile problem with F-14, with actual reliability factored in it wouldn’t be such a “hit”.

[Gunfreak]

The Jeff kan carry 1500kg of ordinance, that's just 50% more then a P47 Mustang or the Mossie. The F16 can carry like 7000kg of ordinance.