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jalsina 24 AGO 2021 a las 5:30 p. m.
Refueling with a low cost Logitech joystick?
Have somebody been able to refuel a F-16C (boom), a M2000C (basket) or any other aircraft, by using a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro or any other low or middle cost joystick?
Can you tell us your experiences or tips?
Última edición por jalsina; 24 AGO 2021 a las 5:31 p. m.
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startrekmike 3 SEP 2021 a las 8:43 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ATPFlo:
I think Logitech Extreme 3D Pro and Thrustmaster T16000M

= difference like night and day but ok

I will put it like this. If you don't have any joystick and your choice is between the T16000 stick (not the HOTAS, just the stick) and the Logitech Extreme 3D, the T16000 is a better choice in terms of precision. If you already have a Logitech stick, I don't really think it makes a lot of sense to replace one entry level stick with another even if you do see a precision boost.
[ATP]Flo 3 SEP 2021 a las 11:21 a. m. 
Well the Logitech Pro 3D costs 53,99 € on Amazon here while the Thrustmaster T16000M stick costs 59,99 €. I think if you have the Pro 3D it could be worth to sell it and upgrade to the T16000M stick. If you don't have any stick then heck don't save these 6€ - as you also mentioned.

T16000M is a lot more precise (no deadzones, Thrustmaster Warthog sensors), has more buttons and when you look at the "Logitech Pro 3D" which is REALLY super-low-entry-level the T16000M stick is a lot more like "mid-level" on quality-behalf.

You also have the TARGET software and can combine it with the T16000M throttle later of you like. I can't recommend the Logitech Pro 3D at all. It looks cheap and it feels cheap. The T16000M is cheap but is technically really solid.
startrekmike 3 SEP 2021 a las 1:18 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ATPFlo:
Well the Logitech Pro 3D costs 53,99 € on Amazon here while the Thrustmaster T16000M stick costs 59,99 €. I think if you have the Pro 3D it could be worth to sell it and upgrade to the T16000M stick. If you don't have any stick then heck don't save these 6€ - as you also mentioned.

T16000M is a lot more precise (no deadzones, Thrustmaster Warthog sensors), has more buttons and when you look at the "Logitech Pro 3D" which is REALLY super-low-entry-level the T16000M stick is a lot more like "mid-level" on quality-behalf.

You also have the TARGET software and can combine it with the T16000M throttle later of you like. I can't recommend the Logitech Pro 3D at all. It looks cheap and it feels cheap. The T16000M is cheap but is technically really solid.

Okay. I think we are arguing to very separate things here. The OP already has the Logitech stick so while it makes perfect sense for them to get the T16000 throttle, it makes significantly less sense for them to get the entry level T16000 stick as well. It is true that it has better sensors (as opposed to cheaper potentiometers) and it is true that it has two extra buttons (on the base where they are all but useless in a HOTAS context anyway). At the same time, the OP has a issue with spending money on the hobby so replacing one entry level stick with another doesn't make a ton of sense.

Lastly. If I were to go to Thrustmaster's offices right now and ask what they intended the T.16000 stick to be, they would have absolutely no trouble saying it is a entry level stick because that is what it is. You may personally, individually feel that it is a "mid-level" stick but it isn't. You may like it and you are perfectly right to do so as it is quite decent but it doesn't really make sense to upsell it into something it really isn't.

Again. To be very clear. We are not talking about a situation where someone doesn't have a stick and is just getting started. If we were, the T.16000 stick would make the most sense. Since the OP already has a stick that still functions, why replace it with another entry level stick? Would the benefits outweigh the additional cost in that specific scenario?
jalsina 3 SEP 2021 a las 1:24 p. m. 
Sometimes I read these posts and I believe people in fact don't know how strong, good and enduring is the Logitech Expert 3D Pro.
Even some people believe the axis internal parts are potentiometers.
BTW, the joystick costs now $30 in Amazon USA. Two months ago the cost was $70.
startrekmike 3 SEP 2021 a las 1:31 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por jalsina:
Sometimes I read these posts and I believe people in fact don't know how strong, good and enduring is the Logitech Expert 3D Pro.
Even some people believe the axis internal parts are potentiometers.
BTW, the joystick costs now $30 in Amazon USA. Two months ago the cost was $70.


Everything I can find online (including instructions on how to convert it to hall sensors) say that it has potentiometers.

Beyond all that, I don't disagree. The Logitech isn't the best stick but for an entry level solution, it is good enough. If you were to get a Thrustmaster T16000 throttle, you would have a solid entry level setup that won't break the bank and still significantly improve your experience.
jalsina 3 SEP 2021 a las 3:12 p. m. 
Taking apart the Logitech:

https://youtu.be/Yu5H97efUJ0
jalsina 3 SEP 2021 a las 5:21 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por startrekmike:
Everything I can find online (including instructions on how to convert it to hall sensors) say that it has potentiometers.

Beyond all that, I don't disagree. The Logitech isn't the best stick but for an entry level solution, it is good enough. If you were to get a Thrustmaster T16000 throttle, you would have a solid entry level setup that won't break the bank and still significantly improve your experience.

I answered the first part with the four videos I posted above.
As of the second part I fully agree. Any Thrustmaster or Logitech HOTAS is better than the Logitech Expert.

Anyway Startrekmike, I thank you for all advises that you have added to this thread. :steamhappy:
It has two parts, first with opinions involved directly related with the title, about tips on how to refuel with a lesser joystick and second and not less important, the benefits and penalties of using low cost joysticks/HOTAS to play DCSW.

Just a short story to finish.
Last night I had my first lesson to have an F-16C_50 cold start. Reading and applying the instructions took me about two hours, until I was able to take off, having only the forgotten experience of the SU-25T and the Mirage 2000C. I had 2 hours searching and messing with the fighter controls and 10 minutes of using the joystick while taxiing and flying. :steamhappy:
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