DCS World Steam Edition

DCS World Steam Edition

Hind Problems Roating all the time help...
hi i bought the hind today i did the youtube tutorial startup but when i lift off my rear is roating all the time like crazy i hope somebody can help i dont know what to do...
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Don't forget to setup the curves and deadzones. Go to controls settings switch to Mi-24P, then switch to axis setup then click on each binded axis control and click on properties button on the bottom. You will see a new window with a white field inside, red dot inside the white field and sliders on the right side of the window. Adjust deadzone slider so when you slightly move your joystick it will not make unnecessary input. The "Logitech Extreme 3D Pro" have pretty big deadzones.

You have to adjust the curves as well. I'm usually using a curve of 25. The only exception was for Mi-8MTV2 collective. I have used a curve of (-35) to make it smooth when I was using the "Logitech Extreme 3D Pro", otherwise it was impossible to make a gentle inputs of the collective. Don't forget to check the "Slider" checkbox in collective (throttle) axis setup.

Additional important thing. Go to a special settings menu, choose Mi-24P and switch to a "Trim with back to center" and turn on also rudder trim checkbox. The "Trim with back to center" will make the in-game stick do not move after you press the trim button, until you move your joystick back to center. Why do you need this? Because if you will not use it and your joystick is not a force feedback, then after pressing the trim button, the in-game stick will react to a last input of your joystick when you back it to center, which is wrong. The in-game stick must remain in the last position it was trimmed.

The "Rudder trim" will allow you to trim the in-game pedals. So you don't need to hold the twist of your joystick all the time and it will ease a lot hitting targets with unguided missiles.

One more thing. Go to game setting and disable the "Force feedback", otherwise you may have a problems at least with the "Gazelle" helicopter if you will own it one day.
I don't know what kind of joystick do you have. If you have somethig like Extreme 3D pro, then it will be quite difficult because due to its design it is not easy to control the collective such precisely. If you have something like T-16000m or X-52 it would be much easier. There is small workaround to set some curves for collective but IMO it is quite big alchemy because there is no sweet spot. It changes with the everything. With the helicopter total weight, the outside air temperature, the altitude, the wind conditions and similar.
Ultima modifica da Troll Norris; 3 ott 2021, ore 4:27
From your videos i suspect:
Too much collective - resulting in rotor rpm loss and most likely loss of electrical power to the assistance systems (yaw dampener). When power is back, those do not turn on again automatically.

Try smaller movements in general. And don´t try to "run first before walking".
Practice hover and hover taxi. Practice slow maneuvering ige and oge. Try NOT to use yaw dampener in your first hours to actually learn what she wants to do and how you have to react.

The HIND is difficult to maneuver in rl and DCS did a quite good job simulating nearly all of the lady´s special needs and quirks :) - said as someone who did fly it some years ago.

Keep on practicing.
Ultima modifica da Jel; 3 ott 2021, ore 4:24
btw someone mentioned to go into the special menu but when i go there i can not select an aircraft only something for gloves and vr. whats wrong? ^^
Messaggio originale di KingJ:
btw someone mentioned to go into the special menu but when i go there i can not select an aircraft only something for gloves and vr. whats wrong? ^^
Go there from main menu. Not from "in-game" menu.
Ultima modifica da Troll Norris; 3 ott 2021, ore 12:49
thank you troll now i found it :-)
Messaggio originale di KingJ:
and i was starting up by following this youtube video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGIqZzLRzjQ&t=305s

Messaggio originale di startrekmike:

2.) Avoid using any tutorial videos by The Grim Reapers.

Startrekmike has a stick up his backside about the Grim Reapers and never misses a chance to attack them. Most of their videos are fine, and their huge content library covers pretty much everything in the game. I'd have likely never gotten into DCS without GR and similar YT channels. If they work for you, go for it (though the aforementioned Spudknocker does fine work, and he's an actual [fixed-wing] pilot).

All that said, I don't have the Hind or even care about helos, so I can't comment on the GR video in question. If you can tolerate reading manuals that look like Geocities websites from 1996, the official docs and Chuck's Guides probably are the most accurate concentrations of information and procedures, for quick reference. Good luck.
@KingJ

In the first video you definitely added too much collective, reducing RPM to a point where the generator temporarily stopped producing sufficient power.

When this happens in the Mi-8, the stabilization system shuts down and needs to be activated again, otherwise the helo becomes pretty hard to control.

Judging by how you lost control after the generator alarm was triggered, I think the hind suffers from the same ailment.

In the second video you did much better, but struggled during the landing phase (which is normal). I left you some tips in the comment section, if you're interested.
Messaggio originale di Undead Rufus:
Messaggio originale di KingJ:
and i was starting up by following this youtube video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGIqZzLRzjQ&t=305s

Messaggio originale di startrekmike:

2.) Avoid using any tutorial videos by The Grim Reapers.

Startrekmike has a stick up his backside about the Grim Reapers and never misses a chance to attack them. Most of their videos are fine, and their huge content library covers pretty much everything in the game. I'd have likely never gotten into DCS without GR and similar YT channels. If they work for you, go for it (though the aforementioned Spudknocker does fine work, and he's an actual [fixed-wing] pilot).

All that said, I don't have the Hind or even care about helos, so I can't comment on the GR video in question. If you can tolerate reading manuals that look like Geocities websites from 1996, the official docs and Chuck's Guides probably are the most accurate concentrations of information and procedures, for quick reference. Good luck.

Explain in detail how spending ten or so minutes going through straightforward, clearly illustrated steps for a given procedure in a Chuck's guide somehow is less of a "quick reference" than watching Cap and his gang make a barely coherent, often inaccurate, rambling "tutorial" for thirty-plus minutes. Seriously. I get that you really, really have a thing for GR and feel the need to aggressively defend their honor or something but when it comes to actually learning various procedures, Chuck's guides are VERY clear and designed to be VERY quick to use. Heck. I would even argue that even a beginner can learn something faster from Chuck's guides than from some of the best tutorials made by the best Youtubers.

I have no idea why you keep trying to paint using such easy to use guides as some sort of painful process that one must "tolerate". I get that maybe you don't really dig reading or something but that is no reason to actively plant the idea in new players heads that even one of the most well-made, most expedient, most efficient ways to learn DCS is something to be avoided as a quick reference when it is easily the quickest, easiest way to learn something.

I won't pretend that it is my place to stop you from enjoying GR's content but I have seen enough new players get discouraged from learning precisely because of GR's videos. They are poorly structured, take too long, and just never, ever, ever get to the point. How is sitting through a thirty minute-plus video somehow a better "quick reference" than a few minutes with Chuck's guides?

Think of my argument like this. Chuck's guides are like a grocery list. You have all the items you want in a clear manner. The Grim Reaper's tutorials are like having to listen to a thirty minute podcast while at the grocery store where occasionally a item on the list is stated. You could spend thirty-plus minutes in the grocery store while trying to deal with said grocery list podcast or you could spend a few minutes quickly going through the store with a clear list in hand and be out at your own pace.

This isn't even about the other issues that I (and many others) have with GR's general behavior and influence on the community at large (or at least a deeply entrenched portion that makes up their alarmingly loyal fanbase). This is about wanting to give new players good, useful advice and not actively discouraging them from the sources that will give them the best results. All that "If you can tolerate reading manuals that look like Geocities websites from 1996" business is hyperbole at best and outright nonsense at worst.

Messaggio originale di startrekmike:
Explain in detail how spending ten or so minutes going through straightforward, clearly illustrated steps for a given procedure in a Chuck's guide somehow is less of a "quick reference" than watching Cap and his gang make a barely coherent, often inaccurate, rambling "tutorial" for thirty-plus minutes. Seriously. I get that you really, really have a thing for GR and feel the need to aggressively defend their honor or something but when it comes to actually learning various procedures, Chuck's guides are VERY clear and designed to be VERY quick to use. Heck. I would even argue that even a beginner can learn something faster from Chuck's guides than from some of the best tutorials made by the best Youtubers.
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Oddly enough, I don't defend GR at all unless I'm on this forum and you're crapping on them.

It's very simple—some people learn visually. I prefer to see something done in realtime rather than read about it. I never claimed it was faster, just easier and more effective. I retain visual information better than something I merely read about.

If you're like a kid in a bouncy castle at the sight of a messy technical document, then the eyesore status of the official docs and Chuck's Guides probably doesn't bother you, but it still doesn't make you the holy arbiter of the Right Way To Learn™.

I have been around and around with you about this. None of my answers have changed from our exchanges months ago, so you can refer back to those.
Ultima modifica da Undead Rufus; 3 ott 2021, ore 20:52
Hi, a little update:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ozhZFngwA


this time with hover landing but of course still very unsecure and not on point. :)


thank you all for helping so much...
Looking better than i expected. Good job - keep it up.
Messaggio originale di KingJ:
Hi, a little update:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ozhZFngwA
this time with hover landing but of course still very unsecure and not on point. :)
thank you all for helping so much...
This one was much better. Keep training and soon it will be perfect.
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