HOTAS without potentiometer

[Nomad]

Anyone knows a HOTAS without any of these potentiometers ?

They always lose precision after a few months, and eventually fail.

[van Leeuwenhoek's mustache]

Sure, but they are expensive: http://www.thrustmaster.com/products/hotas-warthog-dual-throttles

It's either that or making your own mod.


Alternatively, you can get the T16000 stick + TWCS throttle , which only have a couple of pots (one for the stick's twist axis and another for the throttle's thrust axis )

[Nomad]

Originally posted by Soup Chewer:

Sure, but they are expensive: http://www.thrustmaster.com/products/hotas-warthog-dual-throttles

It's either that or making your own mod.

Expensive as it's, it still uses potentionmeters at least in the throttle. I couldn't believe it at first, but that throttle's potentiometer does fail like any cheap HOTAS.

[Troll Norris]

If you have 100 no potentiometer HOTAS, then you need something like VIRPIL.
https://virpil-controls.eu/shop/throttles.html
https://virpil-controls.eu/shop/bases.html
https://virpil-controls.eu/shop/grips.html

[Troll Norris]

Originally posted by Nomad:

Originally posted by Soup Chewer:

Sure, but they are expensive: http://www.thrustmaster.com/products/hotas-warthog-dual-throttles

It's either that or making your own mod.

Expensive as it's, it still uses potentionmeters at least in the throttle. I couldn't believe it at first, but that throttle's potentiometer does fail like any cheap HOTAS.

Still, it is very good stick. The fun thing is that T-16000m uses the same sensors as the TMHW. That means very high quality sensors. The big downside of TMHW is its full-plastic gimball with no bearings and with one-spring for both axis centering mechanism.

The sticks like Virpil or VKB have full metal gimball with ball bearings and each axis has its own centering mechanism. The separate centering mechanism grants more realistic feeling and is easier to control both axis at the same time.

[startrekmike]

Originally posted by Nomad:

Originally posted by Soup Chewer:

Sure, but they are expensive: http://www.thrustmaster.com/products/hotas-warthog-dual-throttles

It's either that or making your own mod.

Expensive as it's, it still uses potentionmeters at least in the throttle. I couldn't believe it at first, but that throttle's potentiometer does fail like any cheap HOTAS.

This doesn't sound right at all. On top of the fact that Thrustmaster themselves specifically advertise the throttle having hall sensors for each lever, I have also opened mine and saw no obvious potentiometers.

Can you elaborate on your claim that the Warthog throttle uses potentiometers for the throttle levers themselves?

[Noobiecanoobie]

Since Virpil already linked. Here's VKB's offering:

https://vkbcontrollers.com
https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product_cat=vkb-joysticks-and-rudders

Sadly no throttles yet, only sticks and rudders.

[kalnaren]

POTs aren't the problem. CHEAP POTs are the problem. The potentiometres in CH equipment last decades.

[Nomad]

Originally posted by startrekmike:

Originally posted by Nomad:

Expensive as it's, it still uses potentionmeters at least in the throttle. I couldn't believe it at first, but that throttle's potentiometer does fail like any cheap HOTAS.

This doesn't sound right at all. On top of the fact that Thrustmaster themselves specifically advertise the throttle having hall sensors for each lever, I have also opened mine and saw no obvious potentiometers.

Can you elaborate on your claim that the Warthog throttle uses potentiometers for the throttle levers themselves?

Here:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=195081

[Nomad]

Originally posted by kalnaren:

POTs aren't the problem. CHEAP POTs are the problem. The potentiometres in CH equipment last decades.

All of'em eventually fail. I've used many during the last 20 years, and ALL of'em fail. I've one joystick from 20 yrs ago (MS Sidewinder) without any pots on any of its 4 axis, and it's still working like new, precise as it used to be 20 yrs ago, no calibrations whatsoever, but it's an old design with the throttle at the base of the stick. Ironically, the manufacturer of that joystick went back to using potentiometers in the second edition of that joystick; the MS Sidewinder Precision Pro 2 and they started failing like the others,

[Nomad]

BTW, using hall-effect sensors shouldn't make the HOTAS much more expensive; the TM thrustmaster t16000m uses'em on 2 axis and it costs about 140$.

[Nomad]

Originally posted by Troll Norris:

If you have 100 no potentiometer HOTAS, then you need something like VIRPIL.
https://virpil-controls.eu/shop/throttles.html
https://virpil-controls.eu/shop/bases.html
https://virpil-controls.eu/shop/grips.html

They seem to be out of stock in the US.

[Troll Norris]

Originally posted by Nomad:

Originally posted by Troll Norris:

If you have 100 no potentiometer HOTAS, then you need something like VIRPIL.
https://virpil-controls.eu/shop/throttles.html
https://virpil-controls.eu/shop/bases.html
https://virpil-controls.eu/shop/grips.html

They seem to be out of stock in the US.

Those are highly demanded so they are not able too produce them on time. There are restock dates. Check them. There is around 20 minutes to order before those are sold-out.

[Nomad]

Originally posted by startrekmike:

Originally posted by Nomad:

Expensive as it's, it still uses potentionmeters at least in the throttle. I couldn't believe it at first, but that throttle's potentiometer does fail like any cheap HOTAS.

This doesn't sound right at all. On top of the fact that Thrustmaster themselves specifically advertise the throttle having hall sensors for each lever, I have also opened mine and saw no obvious potentiometers.

Can you elaborate on your claim that the Warthog throttle uses potentiometers for the throttle levers themselves?

Just to be clear it uses potentiometers in the "Friction lever", I am not sure about the throttle lever itself. But still considering it's a 500$ peripheral, it' should've no potentiometers ANYWHERE. Other sensors are not that expensive to use in their product.

[startrekmike]

Originally posted by Nomad:

Originally posted by startrekmike:

This doesn't sound right at all. On top of the fact that Thrustmaster themselves specifically advertise the throttle having hall sensors for each lever, I have also opened mine and saw no obvious potentiometers.

Can you elaborate on your claim that the Warthog throttle uses potentiometers for the throttle levers themselves?

Here:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=195081

That thread is talking about the "throttle friction" lever (which is the small grey lever next to the throttles). The throttle levers themselves are very much hall sensors.

[kalnaren]

Originally posted by Nomad:

Originally posted by kalnaren:

POTs aren't the problem. CHEAP POTs are the problem. The potentiometres in CH equipment last decades.

All of'em eventually fail. I've used many during the last 20 years, and ALL of'em fail. I've one joystick from 20 yrs ago (MS Sidewinder) without any pots on any of its 4 axis, and it's still working like new, precise as it used to be 20 yrs ago, no calibrations whatsoever, but it's an old design with the throttle at the base of the stick. Ironically, the manufacturer of that joystick went back to using potentiometers in the second edition of that joystick; the MS Sidewinder Precision Pro 2 and they started failing like the others,

So.. how's your CH stuff holding up?

Just asking.. because CH POTS failing is nearly unheard of. Usually the connections get loose on them over time, but that's an easy fix. Both Virpil and Thrustmaster also have their issues, some mechanical and some electrical.

Originally posted by Nomad:

BTW, using hall-effect sensors shouldn't make the HOTAS much more expensive; the TM thrustmaster t16000m uses'em on 2 axis and it costs about 140$.

Virpil and VKB use MaRS sensors, not HALL sensors, but I digress. Those sticks are more expensive because they're in an entirely other league than stuff like the T16000. There's a heck of a lot more to stick or throttle than just the sensors.