I want to upgrade to TRACKIR. (Does it make sence?)

[KingJ]

Hi,

im sure this kind of topics are allready existing for a long time from a lot of new players.

but i want to get some feedback first....


so as of right now im using a hotas with normal monitor and mouse keyboard.


im very much a beginner i use the vanilla content and slowly starting to build own little missions.

(its allready fun for me to start engines, take off bomb some easy target and rtb and land successfully...)

i have no experience with trackir i never used it in any game so i really dont know how it feels.


So i want to ask now:

TRACKIR is easy to use with DCS World?

TRACKIR really helps to navigate and get a good feel and rythm for flying?


i dont want to make it to complicated i just want to know what you guys think about it.

My plan is to order TRACK IR this week....


thanks,

jay

[80ne]

I have had TRACK IR 4 in the past, and is a good upgrade to having just a 2D View. I upgraded from TRACK IR 4 to VR. If you are starting out and don't have the money for VR I'd say go for it. It's does tack some time to finesse and get to what you want, you can also save your profile if something were to happen, and find other profiles from other user's.

[God´s Mom]

I would highly recommend track ir because a headtrack/vr is almost essencial when dogfighting/ keeping track of a target.
Track IR is already binded in DCS, you wont have to do anything there

[Zero]

some form of headtracking is ALWAYS good just remember to take some time and position the sensor properly. also recommend some type of clip other than the hat one.and do some testing to adjust the curves (so its not a 1:1 movement) and go to town, it'll take you a few sessions to get used to it tho so keep that in mind!

[spike2071]

Yes, it's worth it. Yes, it's easy to set up and it hooks automatically into DCS.

[SSerponi76]

I'm using TrackIR 5 (without the IR clip) to play DCS and it is simply amazing.

Originally posted by KingJ:

Hi,
...

So i want to ask now:

TRACKIR is easy to use with DCS World?

Using it is REALLY easy: install its drivers, run the app and launch DCS: the game will automatically detect it and assign i to POW controls (maybe just ensure to enable it from the game menu).

Originally posted by KingJ:

TRACKIR really helps to navigate and get a good feel and rythm for flying?

It gave you a better "I'm in the plane cockpit" feeling and helps you a lot in having a good situation awarness, specially during dogfights.
It is not like a VR vision but a very good (and cheaper) alternative.

[Benjamin]

DO i need a super computer to run VR online with other players? not sure wether to get track ir or a vr headset

[startrekmike]

Originally posted by Benjamin:

DO i need a super computer to run VR online with other players? not sure wether to get track ir or a vr headset

Honestly? While you won't need a literal super-computer, DCS is already pretty demanding even with a normal monitor. Adding VR into that mix will make the system requirements higher and will result in lower overall performance and more than likely will push you to lower some visual settings to compensate.

TrackIR has a very low system footprint so it doesn't really impact your performance in DCS. If you are not running a pretty serious system, it might be a good idea to wait on VR (at least for DCS where it is very demanding).

[unknown]

Originally posted by Benjamin:

DO i need a super computer to run VR online with other players? not sure wether to get track ir or a vr headset

Well you will be at a disadvantage with VR. Like a serious one. The thing is trackir makes it every easy to check your six and see everything you want. You can use your monitor which will be far more clear than a VR headset which means you can spot an longer distances. If you want a compeditive edge trackIR all the way.

However, I use vr and have completely replaced my trackir despite a decrease in situational awarness and lower spotting potential. Unlike trackIR, VR is super immersive. It basicly makes it so that 1-1 a-10c simpit you wanted to build for thousands of dollars is not needed due to being able to see everything in our plane 1 to 1 with a 3 dimensional world. This makes landing a lot easier and also makes the game far more enjoyable. The biggest downside other than the decrease in compeditiveness is the fact that it ruins every other game you have ever played because you start wishing those other games gave you the same experience.

You do need a beefy rig to run dcs VR. 800 dollars minimum not including windows is needed to play this game at 45 fps on low settings. But idealy your rig is probibly going to be one in the 1200-1500 dollar price range with a heavy emphasis on the CPU since graphics cards mean basicly nothing for this game and so long as you have a 1070 base model or vega 56 you should be set for graphics. But you need a good cpu and ssd if you want to fly this VR. If you don't have the PC already put VR out of your mind because low performance in vr is absolutely horrible. By far one of the worst gaming experiences that you could possibly have (vomit could be involved).

[80ne]

My VR RIG: Aspire GX-785, i5-7400 CPU @ 3.00GHz, 48GB RAM DDR 4, 2 Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB 2.5 Inch SATA III Internal SSD's, Radeon RX 580 4GB DDR4, Oculus RIFT. If You check the latest screenshot you'll see for yourself. I have never vomited!

[unknown]

Originally posted by USMCG_81:

My VR RIG: Aspire GX-785, i5-7400 CPU @ 3.00GHz, 48GB RAM DDR 4, 2 Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB 2.5 Inch SATA III Internal SSD's, Radeon RX 580 4GB DDR4, Oculus RIFT. If You check the latest screenshot you'll see for yourself. I have never vomited!

Well thats a capable rig. Its the cpu that counts and that CPU is good enough. Just don't run a 400 - 600 dollar setup if you want to play vr in this game.

I mean vomit based off of a new VR user going into a game with an inadequate rig and getting 15 fps because they are running the thing on their 2010 gaming laptop. No thats a bad experience. your rig is perfectly fine.

[80ne]

Originally posted by unknown:

Originally posted by USMCG_81:

My VR RIG: Aspire GX-785, i5-7400 CPU @ 3.00GHz, 48GB RAM DDR 4, 2 Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB 2.5 Inch SATA III Internal SSD's, Radeon RX 580 4GB DDR4, Oculus RIFT. If You check the latest screenshot you'll see for yourself. I have never vomited!

Well thats a capable rig. Its the cpu that counts and that CPU is good enough. Just don't run a 400 - 600 dollar setup if you want to play vr in this game.

I mean vomit based off of a new VR user going into a game with an inadequate rig and getting 15 fps because they are running the thing on their 2010 gaming laptop. No thats a bad experience. your rig is perfectly fine.

True

[startrekmike]

Originally posted by unknown:

Originally posted by Benjamin:

DO i need a super computer to run VR online with other players? not sure wether to get track ir or a vr headset

Well you will be at a disadvantage with VR. Like a serious one. The thing is trackir makes it every easy to check your six and see everything you want. You can use your monitor which will be far more clear than a VR headset which means you can spot an longer distances. If you want a compeditive edge trackIR all the way.

However, I use vr and have completely replaced my trackir despite a decrease in situational awarness and lower spotting potential. Unlike trackIR, VR is super immersive. It basicly makes it so that 1-1 a-10c simpit you wanted to build for thousands of dollars is not needed due to being able to see everything in our plane 1 to 1 with a 3 dimensional world. This makes landing a lot easier and also makes the game far more enjoyable. The biggest downside other than the decrease in compeditiveness is the fact that it ruins every other game you have ever played because you start wishing those other games gave you the same experience.

You do need a beefy rig to run dcs VR. 800 dollars minimum not including windows is needed to play this game at 45 fps on low settings. But idealy your rig is probibly going to be one in the 1200-1500 dollar price range with a heavy emphasis on the CPU since graphics cards mean basicly nothing for this game and so long as you have a 1070 base model or vega 56 you should be set for graphics. But you need a good cpu and ssd if you want to fly this VR. If you don't have the PC already put VR out of your mind because low performance in vr is absolutely horrible. By far one of the worst gaming experiences that you could possibly have (vomit could be involved).

There was a time when GPU's did indeed not mean a whole lot for DCS but with the new graphics engine overhauls and the rise of VERY high resolution textures as the norm, DCS most certainly makes use of GPU's these days. This is especially the case in the VRAM department since modules like the F-14 and maps like the Persian Gulf benefit greatly from having a lot of VRAM overhead to work with. When I went from a 4 gig card to a 8 gig card, the difference was pretty massive to say the least.

[unknown]

Originally posted by startrekmike:

Originally posted by unknown:

Well you will be at a disadvantage with VR. Like a serious one. The thing is trackir makes it every easy to check your six and see everything you want. You can use your monitor which will be far more clear than a VR headset which means you can spot an longer distances. If you want a compeditive edge trackIR all the way.

However, I use vr and have completely replaced my trackir despite a decrease in situational awarness and lower spotting potential. Unlike trackIR, VR is super immersive. It basicly makes it so that 1-1 a-10c simpit you wanted to build for thousands of dollars is not needed due to being able to see everything in our plane 1 to 1 with a 3 dimensional world. This makes landing a lot easier and also makes the game far more enjoyable. The biggest downside other than the decrease in compeditiveness is the fact that it ruins every other game you have ever played because you start wishing those other games gave you the same experience.

You do need a beefy rig to run dcs VR. 800 dollars minimum not including windows is needed to play this game at 45 fps on low settings. But idealy your rig is probibly going to be one in the 1200-1500 dollar price range with a heavy emphasis on the CPU since graphics cards mean basicly nothing for this game and so long as you have a 1070 base model or vega 56 you should be set for graphics. But you need a good cpu and ssd if you want to fly this VR. If you don't have the PC already put VR out of your mind because low performance in vr is absolutely horrible. By far one of the worst gaming experiences that you could possibly have (vomit could be involved).

There was a time when GPU's did indeed not mean a whole lot for DCS but with the new graphics engine overhauls and the rise of VERY high resolution textures as the norm, DCS most certainly makes use of GPU's these days. This is especially the case in the VRAM department since modules like the F-14 and maps like the Persian Gulf benefit greatly from having a lot of VRAM overhead to work with. When I went from a 4 gig card to a 8 gig card, the difference was pretty massive to say the least.

True about the Vram, though its not like you need a 2080ti. Just a decent GPU should work is my point. Shoot this game runs fine with a radeon rx 580 so long as your cpu is decent and you aren't maxing out your graphics settings. Though you kind of have to expect 45 fps. You cannot reliably get the 90 fps in vr and for flight sims 45 fps is still confortable with reprojection. If you have one of the 120 hz headsets then even better since you can achieve 60 and with reprojection it looks very smooth

[[ATP]Flo]

I've got a VR HMD and a lot of experience with it. Usually no motionsickness at all but DCS really is a hard one when moving the head around. ^^ On top comes that VR in DCS really kills the performance when you dont step down your settings from High to at least Medium (better Low on most of the settings) which means that DCS looks worse than before. And I've got a quite decent graphics card (overclocked GTX1080).

Another point is that in VR the resolution is not that good which means you have to come closer to look up some things in the cockpit displays which you could usually read without problems on the monitor. You could bind a quickzoom-button but this again can cause motionsickness.

I personally do not use VR although I have a VR-headset and could have ~60FPS at medium settings. That also means I have huge disadvantages in dogfighting which is the reason I ordered a TrackHat Clip Plus (like TrackIR but much more solid and much cheaper) some weeks ago.

Unfortunately England is also in a full lockdown and nobody knows when the company can ship the TrackHat devices. Well I got to wait. :(

PS: Long story short. Get some kind of IR-Tracking. Maybe don't buy the TrackIR. I heard from many people that is overpriced and is quite fragile.

[KingJ]

okay thank you all so far for the feedback i think track-ir or trackhat is the best way to go. :)