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The release is very rough indeed. Module needs a lot of work but as the guy mentioned RAZBAM is actively working and fixing the issues.
If you looking for more complete module - I agree wait a bit.
TL;DR: I think RAZBAM products(Harrier&Mig19) at this point are not satisfactory DCS-studysim level modules.
While we are ok with any sort of feedback, good or bad, please make sure to keep it mature, respectful and constructive.
Also addressing the video, it is listed as Early Access, with a handy link describing what that means in the E-Shop:
What is DCS World Early Access?
Early Access is an option for you to play this module in an early state, but it will be incomplete with bugs. The time a product remains in Early Access can vary widely based on the scope of the project, technical hurdles, and how complete the module is when it enters Early Access. Eagle Dynamics and all of our third parties strive to make this period as short as possible. An Early Access module can be played on both the Open Beta and Release versions of DCS World. Once the module exits Early Access, you will automatically have the Release version.
You guys must be new to dcs... I remember when the p51 first came out it would blow up when I try to do a cold start. They will fix the issues. Razbam has done a great job with the mirage and harrier. Are they perfect no, but please point to me a harrier sim that is better than this one....
You are requesting a lot of patience and trust, which a lot of customers simply don't have based on experience with the Mirage&Harrier. OP video has a lot of detailed issues with the Farmer and I think it's fair to clearly state what problems there are with the current version.
I am looking forward to Razbam finishing the Harrier and then the Mig19, but until they do... Sorry.
fully released craft are also bound to need tweaks/improvements.
SIM development inherently is often painfully slow.
that's part and parcel of the genre.
patience is key.
I have bought other games in early access, but they usually come heavily discounted, and you can tell by the comments in discussion forums how fast things are progressing (i.e. just how early access it really is). For example I'd say the FA-18 is getting a lot of attention, but the Harrier (among others) isn't for whatever reason(s). Am I correct that nothing 'DCS' on Steam is in early access?
EA is for those that "can't wait for their dream plane" but mainly for support for dev.
1. Heatblur didn't bring us finished product YET, and it also will be in EA
2. Look at other devs... even ED and their F/A-18C - it's not finished yet either
3. It is completely normal to release not 100% completed modules so stop hating on it.
4. EA makes it easier to find all bugs because of bigger amount of "testers"
EDIT:
5. Don't compare progression in development between different devs because they don't work in exact same enviroment, with same money base etc.
Hello 9Line, that comment was not directed at ED, it was directed at Razbam.
I have not checked the store page of this product on steam or on the DCS e-shop but the gentleman in the video has said twice that the module was not in EA. I'll have to check it again but I know that he mentioned it twice in the video.
Also if you could kindly tell me, why would ED allow something like this to happen? You had already delayed this module for failing to conform to quality. Did Razbam not completely fix it during that time? What would we have got if ED didn't step in at that time and Razbam was allowed to sell us this module? Don't you think that an incomplete module like this shouldn't be sold at full price?
If you force you're 3rd party companies to sell EA modules at lower prices then surely companies like Razbam would give us a full product just so they can get more money right? That would be a win-win for ED and the customers.
It's been more than a year and the harrier is still not complete.
They recently ruined the cockpit of the M2000C, now they launched a buggy and incomplete module and these same guys are going to make the F15E and MIG23? Are you honestly okay with that? Are you happy to pay $70-80 for an incomplete module that would most likely be ignored by the developer for a long time?
Point me to a harrier sim that costs $80
Yeah its people like you that let things like this slide. Let me explain it to you:
1. Heatblur isnt releasing a module that can not fly. Razbam have. The MIG19 does not stall which means its an incomplete, unfinished module that people ended up paying $70 for.
2. ED is the best dev I've seen, they do have a larger workforce but it doesnt matter since they are working on so many things. Look at the F18, week after week we get tutorials, updates and a video showing what they are working on and what the next feature is coming to the F18.
They are constantly working on the F18 and people are really happy about it.
Look at the harrier, feels like it hasnt been touched ever since razbam fixed the FM on that bird a couple months after steam release.
3. Two incomplete modules, no progress with the previous one and these guys are going to work on 2 more modules. Everyone loves the F15E and they dont want it to end up like the harrier and the MIG19.
4. EA means product should be cheaper since we are buying it with those bugs, people are definitely going to be angry if the flight model isnt even functioning properly.
5. Razbam have been making modules for other flight sims, they have had the AV8B already researched and developed for SO MANY YEARS and they still couldnt complete it on DCS.
Heatblur seem like a smaller company than Razbam but HB products are way better.
When I made this thread, it was intended as a heads up for other consumers.
I'm trying to make sure no one makes the same mistake as I did when I bought the AV8B.
But as you can see by the dislikes on the vid abd some comments, any form of criticism directed to DCS 3p devs will be flagged as "unjustified" by a part of the community. It allways been like tht - dont worry about it.
I`m a ED customer since Flanker 2.0 and I bought 90% of DCS products, most of them on the first day. I also understand how difficult is to make any of those modules but if I see that something is off I will politely point it.