Anybody else frustrated and bored with DCS?

[Super Fegelein]

Hasn't even been one month yet, and I'm almost ready to uninstall.

Coming from FSX, I imagined DCS as a lively community in a flight Sim, but with combat function. I started playing a few weeks ago, buying the only module that I really wanted: the Viggen.

I'm beginning to regret the purchase. Perhaps my expectations were set too high. The Viggen is an EXTREMELY situational aircraft, being next to useless in all tasks except for ship hunting. Because of this, nobody seems to use this aircraft. Multiplayer is sometimes indistinguishable from single-player, because finding another Viggen is like looking for a unicorn.

Thus, when I inevitably need help with a finicky system or weapon, nobody knows anything. Yes, I have read all 383 pages of the manual. But when the rb15 missiles disappear into thin air after release, the request repair function does nothing, and the bk90 is always off-target by about 400 m, I'm slowly starting to miss old FSX. I was able to learn SO much about aviation there, with a bunch of cool people. With DCS, if my weapons malfunction, I've got nothing. I just have to shrug and find something else to do. I have managed to stick several carrier landings, much to the dismay of fa-18 pilots. I'm not trying to disrupt anything, just bored.

I imagined myself becoming a long-term player, but only three weeks in, I feel like I've done everything there is to do. Is that it? GG?

TLDR: All the study/ troubleshooting/ reading/ tweaking/ head-scratching is not rewarding, and will never pay off. Am I wrong?

[Super Fegelein]

coxy님이 먼저 게시:

Flick through here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=34062

I would say 59th ravens and TAW You dont need no requirements.

Might just have a real breakthrough here. I dug, and on a page from two years ago, I found the 59th Ravens. Still no sign of TAW.

As expected, there are 100 groups featuring the fa-18, but nobody wants a viggen, LOL. I will look into the Ravens, and also continue searching. Thank you very much for the recommendation!

Edit: I found TAW in a Google search. Might go with these guys instead, as they have a North America branch. The 59th Ravens are all in the UK.

[HatefulMother]

Well, I know exactly how you feel, trust me. I mostly play to get some use out of my very expensive investment. I spent almost enough to buy a new computer. I don't really regret it. But things can get a bit boring. What I do is create single player campaigns with a story and some rules. I give myself an overall objective and strict rules to follow.

In order to encourage myself to use at least most of my modules, I have a rule that says I can only use a plane for two in-game sorties a day. I see the things on the map I need to destroy, and I pick the right plane. I create a budget that makes me not want to risk having planes shot down. Every other mission is an enemy action or counter attack, and I never make it easy for myself. It's fun actually, and it takes me months to complete a single campaign, because I only play a little bit every day.

On that note, I find simply creating missions to be a lot of fun for me. It's quite satisfying to see all of your triggers work together.

The Viggen is no big deal at all. Really. It's good for anti-ship and pre-planned strike missions against static targets. Maybe some rockets or gun pods against light, mobile forces. I rarely use it, especially since DCS gets about 90% of it's crashes from using the Viggen for some reason (well, for me).

I never had an interest in doing CAP missions until I started watching DCS-themed youtube channels, especially the Grim Reapers. I learned a few things and now I understand what I'm doing, having lots of fun.

[[GCA] King Apo]

Vilab님이 먼저 게시:

the ka-50 being an attack chopper, it can only do A-G, at a chopper pace ( ie slow for most MP )

the A-10 is very slow, much slower than the free su-25T ( ie, slow for any PvP MP ), and if it is the uber CAS planes, it can only do CAS ( which the Viggen can do too - with much less tech, yes - + deep strike + reco + anti ship + light A-A while being much much faster and much less vulnerable to interception )

Speed is not really a factor in DCS missions, and yes in DCS there are only really A2G and A2A roles... Really confused what your point is. A10C & KA-50 best planes for A2G there is no discussion about it.

if you want to have more interactions with people on MP, don't listen the ones who tell you to buy F-5, A-10-C, Ka-50 they are even more specific than the Viggen

edit: A10C can dumb bomb, use guided munitions, kick ass navigation, be on station for hours, be FAC, coordinator etc, night missions/all weather, A2A refuel, after munitions are expended still use gun that can kill tanks & shilkas alike etc etc.

Shark: can do huge dmg alone, kill a2a jocks, moving targets, night/Weather, very fun datalink/nav options etc. Not to be a d**** and further derail this thread but I think you just don't really know what you are on about and we will have to agree to disagree. :)

[startrekmike]

I am going to go ahead and send you a friend request. I figure that I can provide quite a bit of advice and help but doing so in one forum post is probably not going to be the most efficient way to do so. It would be easier to do it via steam chat and the like.

[Enigmatic]

get in Su27.
Press S
????
Profit

[Freakshow]

I need a break, myself. I feel like I'm getting burned out because there's nothing new and surprising for me lol. I've got all 4 maps, FC3, UH-1H, Mi-8, Gazelle, Ka-50, F/A-18C, M-2000C, A-1C, Harrier, Viggen, Mig-21, F-5E, P-51D, Spitfire, 109, 190.. have the F-14 pre-purchased.. The NS430 to guide me around in the old stuff.

I've downloaded damned near every... single... mission on the User Files section of ED. I've played in every multiplayer server and 99% of the time, it's always the same. 20 people doing god knows what because no one communicates. If there was just some form of teamwork going on, it'd make all the difference. But, no... and don't tell me otherwise. That's how it is 99% of the time.

It's a weird community. Yet, everyday I have to hop on DCS.

The Viggen is my least favorite module because of how specific everything needs to be for it. I hate that for ya. I can't give you any advice to enjoy it because I can't find a way to enjoy it. It's not that the module is junk, it's that.. you can't just hop in it and go seek and destroy. It's as you said, extremely situational. You need to know where the targets are, hope they aren't moving and have some waypoints ready to load or manually enter them. That's one of my gripes about this community... I've seen so much hype about the two worst planes in the game. The Viggen (for the reasons mentioned) and the Mig-21 (don't get me started). People see all the switches in the Mig-21 and think that makes it super fun? Nah, you literally flick them all and forget about them lol. It handles like ♥♥♥♥. The engine overheats/stalls/dies on you easily. I'm not sure why people try and sell it like they do.

Yet, I still fly them all because I need the change up and WANT to like everything.

King Apo ain't lying, the A-10C and Ka-50 actually are very fun. Two very capable machines. Two of my favorites. Had you literally started on anything else, I think you'd be having tons of fun right now, even if you were still learning whatever it was. Anything else... A FC3 module, the Huey.. even the Mig-21. But I'm not trying to convince ya to buy more ♥♥♥♥. However, if this seems like something you'd like and you want to like it, there's a couple of thousand hours of fun to be had with the other modules.

[Freakshow]

I've got a few fun multiplayer missions if you do get some others together and want to play. One is specifically for the Viggen, but has most all of the air crafts. Road base/FARPs and all that. Add me and maybe someone can host a server and we can all do a multiplayer mission. Even if it's just some Through the Inferno stuff lol. Flying together, somewhat coordinated, is just a world of difference in the fun factor area. I know someone else who'd play well with us all, too.

[hawkdancer_myrick]

has anyone noticed that out of 100% of posting oin steam that DCS seems to me the one most of the players have trouble with
I fly solo because the one engine that is not being suported is the only one i can play
but I should be up and running by next coupleof months so I can run the same ver as everyone else my wifi is the problem

[Maddox]

Take a break from dcs, come back when there is a sale and buy a popular module and play some missions.

I usually like to find a small group of guys to do co OP missions with. Yes dcs is expensive but it almost makes me feel like a real jet fighter pilot.

I have bought all the modules on steam, spent money on hotas, rudder pedals and track ir. And I still take breaks.

There is no flight sim like dcs, none what so ever. This is as good as it gets here, and I love every minute of it.

[Strangelove MD.]

Don't hear this in the wrong tone but the problem you are having is a result of your choice of aircraft. It might look cool but it just dose not do a lot. A Viggen in any flight sim world is going to be a let down. Not saying it is a bad AC in real life it just dose not offer enough entertainment value-- for most I should say. I am sure some find it purely satisfying, for what it is ie a sim. But if you looking for MP fun with it. It is more of a novelty. So not many people are interested enough to fly it. Kinda like you wanted to go off roading and bought Porsche, really nice car but you wont be able to enjoy much off roading with it. But it will look good and be fun to drive in its own right, but again you did not buy it for that. You bought it for off roading enjoyment. Its really not a fault of DCS or the Viggen it is a solid sim, you just chose a bad plane for what you wanted to do. A10 would have been a better first module or maybe even F5, well anything but the Viggen. But don't give up try a more popular module for what you are wanting it for. Good luck.

[HatefulMother]

Freakshow.neo님이 먼저 게시:

The Viggen is my least favorite module because of how specific everything needs to be for it. I hate that for ya. I can't give you any advice to enjoy it because I can't find a way to enjoy it. It's not that the module is junk, it's that.. you can't just hop in it and go seek and destroy. It's as you said, extremely situational. You need to know where the targets are, hope they aren't moving and have some waypoints ready to load or manually enter them. That's one of my gripes about this community... I've seen so much hype about the two worst planes in the game. The Viggen (for the reasons mentioned) and the Mig-21 (don't get me started). People see all the switches in the Mig-21 and think that makes it super fun? Nah, you literally flick them all and forget about them lol. It handles like ♥♥♥♥. The engine overheats/stalls/dies on you easily. I'm not sure why people try and sell it like they do.

This is actually very well stated. I noticed that there is always a lot of hype for the worst planes (in DCS). I have to admit, I was excited to flip all those MiG-21 switches too, but once I was in the air, I would hit my target multiple times, destroy nothing, and then prey I could land it (the Spitfire feels much better, and that's saying something). I have been doing flight sims almost my whole life, but the MiG-21 is the only plane where I am not certain I can land it without damaging the landing gear. You might be able to shoot down an enemy plane with a missile, but you really won't be able to do much more, especially after the merge when you've lost most of your energy.

As excited as I am for the F-14, I'm starting to get nervous. Especially after seeing the performance data for the AIM-54 on some recent youtube videos. I hope it doesn't become yet another "cool" module that ends up sitting there, collecting dust.

[Vilab]

the " worst" plane are the " worst" because they are older, and come from an period when getting some kind of perfs ( high speed ) required much more compromise than now

it is not beacuse they are modeled on DCS ( which was formerly based on a 1990-2010 timeframe ) that they are planned to be used against F-15 or modern SAM networks

kirtanloorii님이 먼저 게시:

Freakshow.neo님이 먼저 게시:

The engine overheats/stalls/dies on you easily.

I would hit my target multiple times, destroy nothing, and then prey I could land it (the Spitfire feels much better, and that's saying something). I have been doing flight sims almost my whole life, but the MiG-21 is the only plane where I am not certain I can land it without damaging the landing gear. You might be able to shoot down an enemy plane with a missile, but you really won't be able to do much more, especially after the merge when you've lost most of your energy.

As excited as I am for the F-14, I'm starting to get nervous. Especially after seeing the performance data for the AIM-54 on some recent youtube videos. I hope it doesn't become yet another "cool" module that ends up sitting there, collecting dust.

most of those complaints are learning issues or lack of information digging before buying the modules

the mig-21 engine works much ( unrealistically ) better if you tick an option in the main menu parameters

the mig-21 has some developpment issues ( dirty canopy... ), the viggen has at least 1 ( Mach 1.855 weird "wall" )

but don't blam the modules for not being flippy enough, the dev won't and mustn't add switches which are just not there IRL just to please you
same for performances ( unless they are really wrong compared to the real ones, and you can prove it )


sure, the F-14, even the late 80s B, is very old school with its quite basic HUD, cockpit layout and the need for a RIO
it is how it was, if you don't like it, DCS is simply not for you

[HatefulMother]

Vilab님이 먼저 게시:

sure, the F-14, even the late 80s B, is very old school with its quite basic HUD, cockpit layout and the need for a RIO
it is how it was, if you don't like it, DCS is simply not for you

Was this comment for me? My only concern with the F-14 is the AIM-54, which isn't THAT good. I'm still getting the module.

[Enigmatic]

Is it just me or did they modify some of the base ka-52 missions? I could swear I never had to deal with vulcan AAA w/ other SAM before on that mission. Was only some manpads before I recall and could get a bit closer. Maybe was to easy before though, once you found where the man pads where hiding. Now the vehicles sometimes tuck behind buildings and trees which is nice.

It's a nice challenge which could keep me busy a while :).

The hardest reason to justify buying campaigns though is because it is a sandbox and you could just make your own lol.

[Skyelight]

When the f-14 comes out. I think that will be fun. two in one aircraft. playing on "through the inferno" server is fun. You get some people to fly around with and do missions.