Looking to buy a new plane soon.

[RGabry21]

I am looking into buying a new plane soon. I have FC3 and a few others. I have the F5 and am fairly comfortable in that. Im looking into either the Mirage 2000, F16, or the Jf17. I am still not really skilled and I was wondering how hard the planes are to fly. Im looking to get into something that isnt overly complicated with a ton of crazy systems to learn. From what I have seen the Mirage 2000 seems like a plane that is quick to grasp onto, also it is a bit cheaper. Does anyone have any opinions on the F16 or JF17? Are either of them significantly more capable than the others for the price?

[pgazaille]

Mirage 2000 is perfect if you like Air to air, but lacks advance weaponry for air to ground. It is and old plane with mechanics and electronic of th 70s. Wil not do great against 2000+ aircrafts.
F16 is a bit younger and will fullfill all roles more than respectably. It is a fantastic SEAD and is still in use today in some countries. They said it will be mostly ready by the end of 2020.
JF-17 has received many good comments. It has everything a modern multirole should have and in a 2010+ glass cockpit with up to date weaponry.

My favorite is the F18 because of the Carrier capability and the fact that 4 maps out of 5 have huge waters on it. It nakes mission scenarios easier to imagine.

[SSerponi76]

M-2000C is a good choice IMHO

[Blinky]

I own the F-18 which is a good modern day multi role fighter and carrier operations, I also was given the F-16 as a gift but have spent little time in it so I can't give you accurate feed back, I own the JF-17 also as this is the aircraft I now spend all my time in. The JF has weapons for everything you need to throw weapons at and although it is still a complex system to fly like the f-16 and f-18 everything is very easy to understand and us in the very user friendly cockpit as you would expect from a aircraft developed only a decade ago.

[CommandDork]

M2000 is an excellent jet - flies like silk and is easy to start and get off the ground in a hurry with. If dogfighting's your thing, M2000 is a good one. F-16 is a little more involve and currently a WiP, though you can still do a lot with it. Dont know much about the JF17, tis the only one I dont own right now.

But the M2000 has a special place in my heart as it was my first module!

[startrekmike]

Leaving behind my own personal favorites and just looking at it from a beginner's "bang for the buck" standpoint, the JF-17 is probably the best choice in that it gives you the versatility of a modern multi-role in a pretty straightforward to learn package. Unlike the Mirage 2000, it has impressive air to ground capability while also having solid, meaningful air to air capability (especially considering the impressive SD-10 missile and it's solid radar in comparison to the Mirage's limited Super-530D missile and a somewhat less impressive radar).

Don't get me wrong. I love the Mirage. I just think that the JF-17 is kinda ideal for a newer player because it doesn't really compromise in any one area (air to air or air to ground) while still being pretty user-friendly. It doesn't really take a lot to learn how to work the various systems and weapons.

The F-16 is still VERY incomplete and I can't really recommend it at this juncture. It will get better but I would wait until it is further along in its early access before plunking down money for it.

[zeel]

Got the M2000C today and I am loving it so far, but I think you should get the JF-17 first. As it stands, the JF-17 is a beast of a multi-role, maybe second only to the F/A-18C Hornet, flies smoothly, has very modern tech and weaponry, has pretty damn impressive maneuverability and A2A capability and, most importantly, has a stupid missile with a 100nm range that you can fire off and control from literally anywhere you fancy (CM-802AKG, if you are interested).

The F-16C is a plane I haven't seen much of, or own myself for that matter, but I DO know that it is going to be a very capable plane when it's finished, but right now you just don't get much bang for your buck, especially when it costs the same as the Hornet.

About the Mirage though, you should definitely get it once you have a proper multi-role, it's a great fighter for when you need just that, but it only carries a maximum of 4 A2A weapons (Magic IIs Fox-2s and Super-530Ds Fox-1s) which means you can't really stay in combat for very long.

Before I finish, I talked about the Hornet a lot, you might be interested in that plane if you are looking for something you can bring to absolutely any situation and still excell. My gripe with it is that the MFD / bottom screen is way too low and a lot of the systems are pretty finnicky and complex. I still love the aircraft, of course, I just don't think I'd recommend it if you aren't 100% willing to stick with it for a few weeks and learn everything.

[RGabry21]

Thank you guys. I have been wanting the M2000 for a while but actually just sent it and and got the JF17. I hope there are decent tutorials for it. Eventually I will get the Mirage probably during the next sale.

[startrekmike]

Publicado originalmente por RGabry21:

Thank you guys. I have been wanting the M2000 for a while but actually just sent it and and got the JF17. I hope there are decent tutorials for it. Eventually I will get the Mirage probably during the next sale.

Just google "Chuck's guide JF-17" and you will find the best reference available for that module right now. It will certainly be more than enough to get you started.

[zeel]

Publicado originalmente por startrekmike:

Publicado originalmente por RGabry21:

Thank you guys. I have been wanting the M2000 for a while but actually just sent it and and got the JF17. I hope there are decent tutorials for it. Eventually I will get the Mirage probably during the next sale.

Just google "Chuck's guide JF-17" and you will find the best reference available for that module right now. It will certainly be more than enough to get you started.

The Grim Reapers also have pretty damn good tutorials for every plane, though some of them are fairly long.

[dan]

Good choice. Usually I recommend mirage as the first high fidelity module to people but in your case I think you can move up to jf17.

Jf17 has some very convenient systems and the cockpit is neatly laid out and labeled in English. Navigation is a breeze once you learn how to play with way points which is incredibly simple and convenient in the jf17. The HSD is a godsend. It shows everything SA including data link in one place. As someone mentioned above: weapons galore. Can carry a lot of variety compared to mirage and 4 fox3s compared to mirage's 2 fox1s. SD10s are almost sure kills within no escape zone. Ld10 are harm equivalents. Very nice. Maverick equivalents. JSOW and JDAM equivalents and then some. The SPJ pod is almost cheating when it comes to dodging fox3s. Just remember to turn it on. CM802AKGs let you target ground a 100nm away. BRM1s let you lay waste to whole airbases in one sortie if no anti air opposition.

The one part which you may struggle with is binding all the hotas controls and remember what and where everything is. This is the most complicated thing about the 17 AFAIK of you don't have an expensive hotas with a multi way switch at every finger but it's getting easier for me with time flown. A few bugs here and there that you need to be aware of. E.g. If you enter dogfight DGFT mode the only way I know to leave is to hit the switch to directly go to a specific master mode like NAV, INTC or A/G. Pressing the next or prev master mode switch does nothing. Rwr in multiplayer is iffy atm so you'll be struggling to kill 6 enemy planes every sortie *wink*. Read about rest on the ED forum page for jf17.