Is it just me or is the SU-27 really "brittle"?

[ohyeah2389]

Regardless if i have the damper on or off, if i jerk the aircraft around or even touch the rudder at the wrong time, the rudders or wings rip off.

Is this a bug, or does the IRL aircraft have this flaw? If it's intentional, then damn, the Russians are bad at aircraft design! I mean, i know the SU27 is supposed to be more maneuverable, but not "you will rip the wings off the aircraft" maneuverable!

[SkyWolf (Cirrus!) θΔ]

I rarely throw my wings off since they updated the plane in DCS. But for rudders it sounds like you are throwing them around too fast, be more smooth with rudder inputs especially at speeds.

[Troll Norris]

Check your G and AoA meter. High G or AoA with heavy aircraft can cause strange things.

[NineLine]

Include a track or a video and we might be able to help as well, I think you might be asking too much of the Su-27, but hard to say.

[geistXIII]

It's the pilot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYX4bq8Vsj4

[geistXIII]

Haven't touched the Flanker in 2.5 yet, but a lot of stuff seems a little bit wonky right now.

[m4rt14n]

What is your joystick? I had the worst time flying this plane with Logitech Extreme 3d. It was fine once I upgraded to TM Warthog.

[Xoho]

Originally posted by m4rt14n:

What is your joystick? I had the worst time flying this plane with Logitech Extreme 3d. It was fine once I upgraded to TM Warthog.

I swear the X3D pro uses a hat switch for it's sensors. It's that bad. All or nothing with 60% assymmetric deadzones and 10% that will never register. T16000M or literally anything else would be much better.

[m4rt14n]

Originally posted by Xoho:

Originally posted by m4rt14n:

What is your joystick? I had the worst time flying this plane with Logitech Extreme 3d. It was fine once I upgraded to TM Warthog.

I think the X3D pro uses a hat switch for it's sensors. It's that bad. All or nothing with 60% assymmetric deadzones and 10% that will never register. T16000M or literally anything else would be much better.

yeah it is sitting on top of my book shelf right now gathering dust

[ohyeah2389]

Originally posted by m4rt14n:

What is your joystick? I had the worst time flying this plane with Logitech Extreme 3d. It was fine once I upgraded to TM Warthog.

I have something even worse- the Force 3d Pro, the limited edition force feedback version. It is a absolute piece of crap. I'd get the Warthog or the X55(and that's what I plan on doing) but I just bought a Saitek yoke and pedals for FSX, and aside for the pedals, I can't use a yoke for combat.

Imagine the X3D but with all the fluidity and smoothness of a gravel road, and more spikes than a meat tenderizer.

I don't think it uses a hat switch though.

[Letome1]

Isn't the Su-27 designed to be aerodynamically unstable to be more manouverable? Just like all the Su-27 family and even the F22. Maybe not yanking the rudder and stick at mach 1.4 would fix that as the plane has no filter against pilot actions (lets you do whatever you want, under the assumption that you know the aircraft's limit). Try test flying the aircraft and feel its flight characteristics. Its unstable nature is both a blessing and a curse. This isn't ace combat after all.

Of course, without footage we are unable to know if its pilot error or a bug

[m4rt14n]

Originally posted by ohyeah2389:

Originally posted by m4rt14n:

What is your joystick? I had the worst time flying this plane with Logitech Extreme 3d. It was fine once I upgraded to TM Warthog.

I have something even worse- the Force 3d Pro, the limited edition force feedback version. It is a absolute piece of crap. I'd get the Warthog or the X55(and that's what I plan on doing) but I just bought a Saitek yoke and pedals for FSX, and aside for the pedals, I can't use a yoke for combat.

Imagine the X3D but with all the fluidity and smoothness of a gravel road, and more spikes than a meat tenderizer.

I don't think it uses a hat switch though.

There you go. It's probably the janky force feedback that is ripping the wings.

[ohyeah2389]

Originally posted by Leo Yan:

Isn't the Su-27 designed to be aerodynamically unstable to be more manouverable? Just like all the Su-27 family and even the F22. Maybe not yanking the rudder and stick at mach 1.4 would fix that as the plane has no filter against pilot actions (lets you do whatever you want, under the assumption that you know the aircraft's limit). Try test flying the aircraft and feel its flight characteristics. Its unstable nature is both a blessing and a curse. This isn't ace combat after all.

Of course, without footage we are unable to know if its pilot error or a bug

It's at med to low speed, but nvm, it's probably just me.

[Freakshow]

Let me start off by saying I've only had this game for around 8 days (or has it been longer?... I can't stop playing), but most of my time has been spent in the Su-27. There has to be something too sensitive in the settings for your joystick because I have to intentionally try to rip the wings off to make that happen, and I believe it's only happened to me once. I tend to be able to do whatever I want and never break anything. I may end up spinning in circles, upside down and falling half way to the ground or something, but the wings do not rip off easily.

The rudder is another story, I don't have a stick/throttle and pedals, so I have to use the keyboard for my rudders... which means I don't use them lol. I imagine that could break something a bit easier.

I've been using an Xbox One controller if you're wondering. A nice stick and throttle are in the very near future. TrackIR Pro bundle is in the mail as we speak lol. I found having to use the mouse to look around a lot more hindering for me.

And just like that...
A free to play game sucks $400 or so in a week or two lol.

[ohyeah2389]

UPDATE: I was using linear sensitivity to offset some problems I was having from force feedback. Setting the sensitivity to 20 "fixed" it. I can still rip the wings off by pulling up too much in a turn, but it's not as uncontrollable now. Sorry.

[Troll Norris]

The best solution (but not cheap) Is to get any high resolution stick with the length extension and with the table mount. Just long stick->high precision.