Night mission capable crafts and prospect of MiG-35?

[Cvelus]

Aside of KA-50 and F18, are there any other night mission (and NV equipped) capable crafts?

Mostly interested in roster of Flaming Cliffs DLC.

Also, is there any prospect of MiG-35 being in the works or is it still too classified for that to happen?

[Insônia]

A-10C,Harrier, huey, gazelle, all helis are ok with night.
Viggen did not have goggles , but the radar has Terrain Avoidance Mode. w/o FLIR it is still very risky in low light condition.

[Cvelus]

Originally posted by Insônia:

A-10C,Harrier, huey, gazelle
Viggen did not have goggles , but the radar has Terrain Avoidance Mode. w/o FLIR it is still very risky in low light condition.

So SU-xx, MiGs and F-15 are not night mission compatible (aside mercury pod)?

[Cvelus]

Originally posted by Insônia:

FC level simplified system are not very good on this type of things.

A-10A( use mavericks as FLIR ) , Su-25t ( TV ) you may able to see things and fight a little bit. At least very hard compare with full simed modules.

As for CAP/sweep roles. BVR did not really care lights. but w/o goggles if you stuck into WVR furball or dogfight. pretty much fxked up. not good ideal to play with AI under pitch dark night. and no low level capability.

Ok, now I understand.
It is due to simplified simulation (or lack of it) on the models, so I should avoid that particular DLC and planes if I want intercept/fighter or anything aside ground attack missions during night.

Thank you.

[fikmeinshizer]

A2G you can use the Su-25T with the mercury pod to have some low light capability. Not as good as NATO TGPs but passable once you get used to it.

As for A2A I think you're pretty much screwed in WVR. I don't think any of them have NVGs or other night/low vis systems. They rely on radar exclusively. Paid modules for A2A you have the F-14 and F/A-18 which both have crew NVGs along with radar. Paid A2G you have the A-10C with FLIR on the TGP and NVGs finally the AV-8b which is dedicated night attack with FLIR systems galore and NVGs.

That's everything from my stable at least.

As for the MiG-35 I doubt we'll see it. There is a roadmap somewhere and I don't remember seeing the 35 on it. I guess Russian secrecy is quite strict hence the current imbalance between modules per faction.

[Cvelus]

Originally posted by fikmeinshizer:

A2G you can use the Su-25T with the mercury pod to have some low light capability. Not as good as NATO TGPs but passable once you get used to it.

As for A2A I think you're pretty much screwed in WVR. I don't think any of them have NVGs or other night/low vis systems. They rely on radar exclusively. Paid modules for A2A you have the F-14 and F/A-18 which both have crew NVGs along with radar. Paid A2G you have the A-10C with FLIR on the TGP and NVGs finally the AV-8b which is dedicated night attack with FLIR systems galore and NVGs.

That's everything from my stable at least.

As for the MiG-35 I doubt we'll see it. There is a roadmap somewhere and I don't remember seeing the 35 on it. I guess Russian secrecy is quite strict hence the current imbalance between modules per faction.

Thanks for info. Pretty informative.

Well I do not care about factions, more about tools of trade. More of a mercenary spirit. :D

Well, MiG-35 is pretty new variant, might be that it is gonna be off limits for long time.

I will have cash for one decent DLC, so I am browsing trough options, hoping not to get (too much of) buyers remorse.

[Freakshow]

For some reason, they won't give the FC3 jets night vision. My P-51D Mustang has night vision now after downloading a campaign that works in multiplayer and all single player missions, but they have some kind of excuse, I'm sure, about why they "can't" do it for everything else in FC3.

Which, I'm sure they'll read this and go to action on making sure it can't be used in the P-51D in the next patch instead of fixing its glitched fuel tanks.

[Freakshow]

Originally posted by cvvelle:

Thanks for info. Pretty informative.

Well I do not care about factions, more about tools of trade. More of a mercenary spirit. :D

Well, MiG-35 is pretty new variant, might be that it is gonna be off limits for long time.

I will have cash for one decent DLC, so I am browsing trough options, hoping not to get (too much of) buyers remorse.

Keep in mind the F-5E-3 and Mig-21bis also do not have night vision. I can't remember, but I think the Viggen is lacking night vision, too. Of course, all of the FC3 modules are lacking night vision. The WWII planes do not come with night vision.

I guess everything has been mentioned that has it. F-14B, F/A-18C, Harrier, A-10C, all helos... I guess that's it.

[Cvelus]

Originally posted by Freakshow.neo:

Originally posted by cvvelle:

Thanks for info. Pretty informative.

Well I do not care about factions, more about tools of trade. More of a mercenary spirit. :D

Well, MiG-35 is pretty new variant, might be that it is gonna be off limits for long time.

I will have cash for one decent DLC, so I am browsing trough options, hoping not to get (too much of) buyers remorse.

Keep in mind the F-5E-3 and Mig-21bis also do not have night vision. I can't remember, but I think the Viggen is lacking night vision, too. Of course, all of the FC3 modules are lacking night vision. The WWII planes do not come with night vision.

I guess everything has been mentioned that has it. F-14B, F/A-18C, Harrier, A-10C, all helos... I guess that's it.

Well, it seems like Russians do not like NV in their planes... :D

Well, I will have to think all of this over before making any purchases.

Though I am not fan or plan to do PVP, I would like to do PvE and co-op missions, and do not how that will fair during night missions.

But hey, if it is realistic (guess considering MiG it is/was until last upgrade of model, not sure about SU and AC-10), we cant really complain.

[Freakshow]

Once you get a bit of experience under your belt, it's not too hard just... keeping your orientation by keeping your head down and flying by the gauges. When I was new, I remember winding up nose diving into the ground on quite a few occasions lol. But, yeah, formation flying is out of the question without night vision goggles, but you won't have to worry about that in single player. The AI will know where you are.

Air to Air combat without NVG's... not too bad unless you get in the merge. Then it can be rough, especially in aircraft with not-so-wide radar scanning like the Mig-21bis and F-5E-3. And ground attacks are also out of the question without NVG's in the jets that don't have them since those jets also don't have the ability to do CCRP bombing and search for lased targets.

I haven't looked it up, but I'd have figured that Su-27/Su-33 pilots have NVG's in real life, right? And any Mig-21Bis pilot since the 80's or at least the 90's would have them, I'd guess. Certainly American F-5E-3 pilots wouldn't be sent out without some NVG's, but then again, that's just what I'd guess. I don't understand why they won't add them.

[Cvelus]

Originally posted by Freakshow.neo:

Once you get a bit of experience under your belt, it's not too hard just... keeping your orientation by keeping your head down and flying by the gauges. When I was new, I remember winding up nose diving into the ground on quite a few occasions lol. But, yeah, formation flying is out of the question without night vision goggles, but you won't have to worry about that in single player. The AI will know where you are.

Air to Air combat without NVG's... not too bad unless you get in the merge. Then it can be rough, especially in aircraft with not-so-wide radar scanning like the Mig-21bis and F-5E-3. And ground attacks are also out of the question without NVG's in the jets that don't have them since those jets also don't have the ability to do CCRP bombing and search for lased targets.

I haven't looked it up, but I'd have figured that Su-27/Su-33 pilots have NVG's in real life, right? And any Mig-21Bis pilot since the 80's or at least the 90's would have them, I'd guess. Certainly American F-5E-3 pilots wouldn't be sent out without some NVG's, but then again, that's just what I'd guess. I don't understand why they won't add them.

Well, I do not know the details, we will have to get info from someone who has more in depth tech info.

I know MiGs were/are defensive interceptors that heavily depend on AA grid/A-50/radar grid, but aside of general knowledge, but pretty blank on SU models.

[Cvelus]

Apparently, SU pilots do have decent NVGs, so do newer MiGs.
At least it seems like it.

Before they had monocular, some MiGs still do, SUs and updated MiGs have binocular ones, and they are interchangeable with aiming system for Vympel R-73 (AA-11 Archer) missile.

Here is the helmet of MiG and SUs with clip for anchoring NVGs highlited

https://i.stack.imgur.com/h17pu.jpg

Here is with NVGs clipped on
https://i.stack.imgur.com/kpso5.jpg

And here it is with R-73 aiming system clipped on
https://i.stack.imgur.com/MVvXM.png

Now I am pretty confused why those aircrafts do not have them in game "out of the box"...

[Cvelus]

Originally posted by coxy:

SU-30 maybe a thing.

That is 2 seat variant of SU-27?

[fikmeinshizer]

Su-30 is the Flanker C, a modernised Su-27 basically. There are two seat versions and also a few early single seat versions. This is the version that eventually gave the Su-33 Flanker D and Su-34 Fullback.

Could be cool especially with multi-crew tech getting better

[Cvelus]

Originally posted by fikmeinshizer:

Su-30 is the Flanker C, a modernised Su-27 basically. There are two seat versions and also a few early single seat versions. This is the version that eventually gave the Su-33 Flanker D and Su-34 Fullback.

Could be cool especially with multi-crew tech getting better

Sounds fun. It is possible and shouldn't be too hard considering that F-14 is in game.