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and another question is vr trackir or 360 projector screen (can give you the pros and cons of each if you wish)
as of right now the most i'm willing to spend is 6 grand.. my main concern is that it needs to be versatile for me to play in whatever mood im in.. be that VR, with and without headsets, etc..
and i forgot to mention that i already have track ir and a 4k 65 inch thats going to waste.. my current monitor is a 32 ultra wide from LG..
so what im thinking is get a rig.. possibly motion... three screens... so maybe just tack on two more to my ultra- i may or may not go with the same monitor.. might look at tacking on 32 inch curved monitors.
my hotas will most likely run me until its dead.. i know the warthog is enticing but my x-56 is holding it down for now. last year i spent around 3 grand for a computer room upgrade and if i knew i would be at this point i could of saved a grand easily buy choosing a different set up.
the more i sit on this the more i think and the more elaborate it gets..
at this point im willing to trade in my desk and traditional computer setup for a full time rig.. i pretty much stopped playing tripple a titles and will realistically revisit them sometime later..
i would like to be able to sit in my cockpit for 6 hrs without issue.. thats the goal all the while getting into everything sim
thanks for the reply.. would love to see what you recommend..
https://rseatamerica.com/index.php?route=common/home
found this site today.. im having fun doing this shopping
Go with an amd cpu since they are currently the best as of the time of this post and once you go beyond the ryzen 7 which is equivilant to the i9s in performance you really do not need to be crazy with this as this is something that will yield better performance in heavy enterprice virtualization setups and do nothing for gaming with a boost of 3-9 fps at the max but do get a good one as a middle of the pact ryzen 5 will get you very good perormance ex a 2600x can be overclocked very well and performs great but you can obviously go higher.
16gb of ram minimum but nothing over 32 will matter at least currently. A good ssd is important for speed especially in games like dcs. I would go with the best gpu right now which is the rtx 2080 and you can go with 2 but one should be more than adequate and you can always buy another one and computers need upgrading as new tech comes out so i wouldn't worry too much since at that point performance difference is minimal.
Anything over 1700 dollars in the pc department will not yield all that much performance in compairison as you need to spend an exponential amount of money to get any meaningful improvements
now onto the peripherials. I would highly recomend upgrading that stick as i like you had previously though that the saitek sticks were good enough, until i used a better stick. The thrustmaster is better, but not what i would recomend as there are far better joysticks that don't have that horrible center indentation. here are some recomendations
the money is not an option rig would be this
http://www.maxflightstick.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=101&product_id=80
this is a setup i used for a museum that they added a bunch or peripherals to down to a complete clickable cockpit which was assembled from various parts which ened up costing 17 thousand dollars. This however is a very good option which has both helicopter options and fixed wing down to a custom throttle.
If there is something in that rig that you do not like you can call the company and get something more custom such as exchanging the thrustmaster stick on the right with a platform that slids in for a racing wheel and a platform to swithc out for racing pedals. the only thing necessary for this is a chair and a screen in which i recomend one of the various vr headsets. The higher the resolution the better highest of which at the moment would be the valve index
Another setup i recomend is building the platform youself and peacing together using the best parts.
The 2 best sticks on the market right now are tied being the vkb and the virpil
https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=gunfighter-mk-ii
https://virpil-controls.eu/vpc-warbrd-base.html
If you get the virpil stick go for the pro version so you can get a full sized stick which does wonders for accuracy. Only reason for a desktop stick is for budget and room constraints (virpil has extenders as well)
The vkb has a slight edge as far as the action goes as it has a clutch system inside to add finer adjustment of stickiness which has very much improved my system, however the vkb has a more established connector and while the vkb setup has a ton of options the vkb one requires a custom modification for the thrustmaster stick if you want to attach while the virpil one is plug and play (btw the virpil one requires you to buy the stick sepparatly but according to current exchange rates they are very similar in price
You already have a decent throttle with the x-56 setup, however if you also want to go all out with the throttle i would first recomend virpil's throttle
https://virpil-controls.eu/vpc-mongoost-50cm-throttle.html
and secondly the thrustmaster throttle
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Warthog-Throttles-Control-2960739/dp/B00T5X3Z2S/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=throttle&qid=1563342389&s=electronics&sr=1-3&th=1
however do note that the thrustaster throttle isn't worth getting alone due to the price right now so if you do decide on the thrustmaster throttle get it with the stick and get the virpil base
https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960720-Thrustmaster-Hotas-Warthog/dp/B00371R8P4/ref=sr_1_23?keywords=flight%2Bsim%2Bmount&qid=1563342511&s=electronics&sr=1-23&th=1
As far as rudders go the mgf crosswinds are some of the best on the market and i cannot argue their quality. However the one issue they have is the sliding motion which isn't as percise which brings me to my number 1 recomended rudder pedals which are the vkb ones
https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-t-rudders-mk-iv
There are many forum posts of people switching from the mfg crosswind pedals to the vkb ones and being happy and the other way as well. The lack of a toe break is NOT a problem as their is a software solution which fixes the issue and the only time toebreaks are used is durring taxi so they are a feature i have not noticed missing in my use, but as i have stated before many people have gone from vkb pedals to crosswind and the other way as well which means its really personal preferance.
The thrustaster tpr pedals have greate reviews as well, however i have had quality controll issues with thrustmaster including my warthog stick breaking in the base after 6 months of use and it literally took 3 months and a noterized letter threatening lawsuite to get thrustmaster to abide by their warenty, and the tpr pedals have not been out for very long and are at a very high pricepoint so the longevity is unknown with those.
if you have anymore questions just ask
edit: on an end note i do enjoy a lot of my custom gear more than the maxflight fullsetup, however it is very minor things such as the lack of a clutch system and the price difference that drove me the other way.
Even when money is not an issue the difference in price in my mind isn't worth it due to being able to spend money elseware such as on a second 2080ti or even small things like games in this case being every single dcs module and several racing games so i would recomend the custom build setup with various controllers over the one and done maxflight pit not to mention that extra customizability allows you to make your setup perfect for you down to minor details such as something as trivial as a cupholder or the location of your mouse and keyboard and monitor. You could not put the maxflight pit on a movement platform, but with a custom pit you would
No worries! ^_^
I'll hit on a couple of things without scrolling back up.
So I'm 90% doing this.. the level I take it too out the gate is what I have to question.
So as far as the rig I believe I'm already there.
I have an i7-4770@3.4hz, 16gb of ram, 1tb+, and a rtx 2080.if you need any other info let me know.. So I feel my current rig will be acceptable.. correct me if I'm wrong. And fyi the ram, hd space, and quite possible processor will be getting a lift with this project.
As far as the products you linked, thank you, and I've seen and read up on several when I was in the market for my hotas. I research everything when I make purchases. I fret over a purchase for months questioning all aspects. Even when I decided I usual have buyers remorse feeling what if I made the wrong purchase.
I will look into all the products you sent and see how far I want to go..
At the moment I would rather spend money on TV's rather than a new hotas set up. When I do the rig it will be the last thing I upgrade most likely..
I better start getting some things ready for eBay :)
And unknown I do fly helis but in Arma. I originally got my hotas setup when I was playing on a couch 20 feet away from a 65 inch plasma. Not much of a immersive gaming experience.
I bought them to experience elite dangerous with. Once I upgraded my rig to what I have now I was better suited to jump into specific games. One of which was Arma. And so I decided to put those hotas/stick to use. Played a lot more Arma than I did elite and now I have to get back to that at some point as well.
So I fly helis in Arma and I just downloaded DCS tonight however it never launched and I didn't want to trouble shoot today and so went back to Arma :)
Can't wait to get this thing started..
And fyi.. new position at work.. might blow the roof off if this.. I'll know more by next week.
i have used every one of the products above along with the cheaper hotas solutions and i can tell you based off of experience what to expect.
only products i have ever had fail on me were every single saitek product i own including the x-52, x55, combat pedals, and yoke. and the thrustmaster hotas warthog stick (biggest headach of my life).
if you are looking for the best value for your dollar i can definitly work with you to show you the best for the money and point out things to avoid. the value setup can be a full setup or based off of gradual upgrading as those will differ slightly
edit: i do not think your processor or ram needs a lift...those should be perfectly fine as they are and an upgrade in that department will not increase frames very much mabey 3-7 fps difference. so you can safely leave your desktop alone
As fory hotas it will probably be the last thing I upgrade.
This project is getting bigger and bigger. I have a sports bike that I don't ride and I was thinking of selling it just so I could upgrade this some more. Food for thought.
As for the 6 hrs of gaming.. I feel you however I'm incredibly active and so it's not as if all my time will be spent in the chair. I rarely have those days where I'm straped in for over 3-4 hrs a pop as I typically have no reason to do so.
A lot of things to consider. Now I have to figure out why my DCS isn't loading.
Guys once again appreciate any and all imput. Thank you again.